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|Time: August 19 2003 at 20:46:18
Name: Jenn K.
Comments: Hello! I've spent some considerable time viewing the Tulsa TV Memories website. I am the webmaster of the website The Outsiders Book and Movie and am looking for information, photos, etc. on various locations that were used in the making of the film. What I'm looking for information on is the following locations:
The Dairy Queen / Tastee-Freez locations used
Jenn posed these questions to me, so with her permission, I posted them here to see if anyone has answers for us.
|Time: August 19 2003 at 16:57:57
Name: Tom Powers
Take a link over to http://www.retromedia.tv/advertising.html.
Watch the Gremlin Commercial. Is that Gary Busey playing the farmer in the Wichita Wiggle part?
I thought you were absolutely right at first, but a stop-action profile shot shows the guy's nose to have a distinct convexity which I do not believe Gary Busey's nose has or had...see Gary's profile in 1970 at this link. The farmer's brows also appear lighter. Sure is close, though.
|Time: August 19 2003 at 11:43:07
Comments: About 4:30 yesterday afternoon, whilst sitting in my office on the 31st floor of First Place Tower downtown, I began noticing that my window was rumbling. Construction work has been ongoing in a parking lot adjacent to our building, so I didn't think much of it.
Later, after hearing sirens and a helicopter, I took a peek. The Mid-Continent Tower was in the way, but I could see the huge plume of black smoke.
I moved to another office, and could see the flames and smoke engulfing what appeared to be the whole city block of that area. My first thought was possibly a plane crash, since I knew that area was in the flight path of TIA. The explosions continued, and as we've seen on television, huge chunks of flaming debris were going great distances. I saw one particularly large piece of debris clear the highway (which traffic was still moving on at 5pm).
Thankfully, no injuries. It's just unfortunate that houses were lost. The
whole incident reminded me some of the Aerlex fireworks plant explosion in
Hallett some 20 years ago.
|Time: August 19 2003 at 09:41:35
Name: Rich Lohman
Location: What was that noise???
Comments: I must commend the local TV networks for their coverage of the fire yesterday. Very well covered from start to finish. It was fascinating seeing 3 houses get totally consumed by flames as time wore on.
Thankfully, nobody got hurt or
|Time: August 19 2003 at 07:14:22
Name: Wilhelm Murg
Location: On the Crosstown
Comments: I passed the explosion site arounds 4 AM and they were still hosing it down. It is at 244 & Peoria, next to the expressway. As far as I can tell, the company was located on Admiral.
31 N. Peoria, not 31st & N. Peoria as I previously stated.
August 19 2003 at 00:39:44
Name: Gary Chew
Location: Sacramento, CA
Comments: I was informed by a Mike Miller dispatch from Virginia of the explosions in Tulsa Monday afternoon. I couldn't get enough info on CNN or the AP website, so I went to the KOTV and KTUL websites and got more. On reading further about it, I found that the company that owned the facility where the Tulsa mishap took place had a similar occurance at its site here in Sacramento in July. I never heard anything about the event here, but the Tulsa story came through rather quickly. I hope everyone's okay back there and enduring the summer heat. And don't be celebrating Independence Day in August anymore, you hear?
Take care, ya'll.
|Time: August 18 2003 at 18:46:32
Name: Mike Bruchas
Location: Monitoring network lines in DC
Comments: Saw the bad tanker fire in OKC and just saw some KOTV tape on a gas distibutor fire in Tulsa. Where was it at? Saw a "Forever Tulsa" billboard in the video but could not recognize which expressway it was adjacent to - no sound but nat sound was heard on the feed....
The Tulsa explosions - which Airgas plant was it at - 31st & N. Peoria or 1011 N. Lewis???
(See Wilhelm's note above)
|Time: August 18 2003 at 10:06:10
Comments: Haven't seen "Queer Eye", but it seems interesting. I could probably appear on that show to get my style updated. I'm not sure why KJRH didn't air it initially. They said it was because Bravo was getting tons of promotion on the show, which makes sense, since the company that owns KJRH also owns several cable networks. I doubt it is because of the homosexual content, KJRH has always aired "Will & Grace", to my knowledge.
There is a "just the facts, ma'am" summary of the incident in a sidebar on the new Beef Baloney page.
|Time: August 17 2003 at 22:46:11
Name: Lowell Burch
Location: Well, it's like this...
Comments: Like most TV shows that are made into movies, the Red Green TV series was much better than the movie. In any case, Red Green is just good clean fun. Very, very funny. I never see it any more.
I would trade all of the Queer Eye shows for one Red Green - but I am, after all, more into duct tape than I am into shopping for the latest fashions.
Webmaster, edit my comments, please! I get so carried
|Time: August 17 2003 at 19:45:18
Name: Mike Bruchas
Location: A long time Red Green fan...
Comments: It came out of Canada - I have been watching Red and gang on PBS stations for maybe 6-8 years, I think he even did a movie. He may have been on Comedy Central or More Music on weekends for a while. There were a couple of paperbacks on his lifestyle. I think he was the biggest booster of duct tape before Homeland Security came up with it! Red has been to DC to WETA-TV and MD at fundraising time.
|Time: August 17 2003 at 11:40:50
Name: Wilhelm Murg
Location: Trying to tune in Cartoon Circus
Comments: I never knew where RED GREEN came from, it just showed up on OETA about five years ago with no fanfare. It's always reminded me of the HEY VERN...IT'S ERNEST show or HEE-HAW in structure; it's the same concepts, the same skits, and the same punchlines each week, only with different jokes. It's like HOME IMPROVEMENT without the forced sentimentality. I always liked the gentle philosophy of the show mixed with the violent slapstick humor; it's a great balance. They are currently working on their 13th series.
|Time: August 16 2003 at 23:31:37
Name: Emily Webb
Location: Home, surrounded by moving boxes
Comments: Well, my fiance and I just got done watching the "Red Green" movie that was on OETA last night. I taped it for him. It was a strange movie. He's a huge fan of the show, I've never seen anything about "Red Green" until I saw the movie I taped.
Is anyone here fans of the show? I guess I felt a little lost because I wasn't
quite sure what the background was on the
|Time: August 16 2003 at 14:06:43
Name: Wilhelm Murg
Location: Trying to figure out what happened to COACH
Comments: I had no idea of what to expect, since I never saw a promo for the show. From the fact that KJRH was accused of keeping the show off because of homosexual content, I was expecting the issue to be addressed, I had no idea it was a make-over show. Personally, I thought it promoted gay stereotypes. I have a lot of gay friends, even flower arrangers, but they act like real people, not like characters from a sitcom.
|Time: August 16 2003 at 12:06:48
Name: David Batterson
Location: HOT Palm Springs
Comments: RE: "QEFTSG"
Wilhelm Murg said of QUEER EYE FOR THE STRAIGHT GUY: "...subject matter (which seemed to be more about fashion than sexuality)."
That's the whole point, Wilhelm! ;-) It's about gay guys with
taste helping others, not a sex romp! I love the show for its fun, positive
tone (unlike the usual mean-spirited reality shows) and for portraying gays
as caring individuals who give so much to the world. I say bravo to
BRAVO for airing it. As for ratings, the show is already a hit. And
the Fab Five on Leno last night was a blast.
|Time: August 16 2003 at 04:04:02
Name: Don Norton
Location: Tulsa, Once and Again
Comments: Someone remarked recently on seeing part of "I Remember Oklahoma" and enjoying it. The program is a feature of OETA"s August Festival and will be repeated (channel 11) from 5 to 7 p.m. Saturday, August 16 (with "pledge breaks," of course).
|Time: August 16 2003 at 03:54:48
Name: Wilhelm Murg
Location: Living in the Past
Comments: Kansas ROCKED Friday Night! We left before Bad Company took the stage (I was never a fan).
I finally saw QUEER EYE FOR THE STRAIGHT GUY. I can't say that I'll be watching it in the future; I thought it was dreadful. However, I applaud KJRH for finally showing it. If it fails, let it fail due to ratings, not because of it's subject matter (which seemed to be more about fashion than sexuality). The most absurd tip was to frame wrapping paper as art. Of course I never watch any of the top rated shows, so don't go by my judgement; it might be a hit.
I talked with Matt over at Starship and asked him about his computer. He was amazed that I found out about his computer problems on the site.
Today's Starship Buys:
Captain Beyond: Sufficiently Breathless
Firesign Theatre: How Can You be in Two Places at Once When You're Not Anywhere
at All (I originally bought this on vinyl in the Cut-Out Bin of Honest John's
for $1.95 - the CD was more or less in the same place 25 years later).
|Time: August 15 2003 at 23:39:32
Name: David Wilson
Location: New York City
Comments: Greetings from New York. My electricity returned at 4pm this afternoon. Yeah...lights, air conditioning, phone, water and elevator. Nothing like climbing 10 flights of stairs a few times to remind one that that a little more exercise might be a good thing. There is still much to do before things are back to 'normal' in the city but we are off to a good start.
People made the best of a bad situation and many of us even managed to have some fun. For the first time in fifteen years I was able to see the stars over the Manhattan skyline. Quite a sight.
I always enjoy visiting this site for my T-town fix. Thanks Webmaster!
|Time: August 14 2003 at 23:39:07
Name: Mike Bruchas
Location: Sitting on news feeds from DC
Comments: Don't you love it when cable news outlets repeat past breaking news events as LIVE hours later?
An hour after the power crisis hit this afternoon - my management here ordered
me to "monitor network lines and power up all my robotic studios". Us techs
had been monitoring trouble in NYC from the first moment MSNBC went on "genny".
Management assumed that we were just "watching TV" not preparing for a major
news event. As it turned out - we had a minor German net fed for about 8
hours from a remote location and only 1 live studio to Mexico....I am reminded
of a GM in Amarillo calling in to tell us to power up for news bulletins
during a storm - we were off the air at the xmitr and our ABC lines were
dead from Sherman/Denison West... I would have put up a trouble slide....
|Time: August 14 2003 at 14:30:19
Name: Jim Jones
Comments: Served KMOD for 25 years as the Traffic Jam announcer. Still in Tulsa, looking for thinning radio jobs.
|Time: August 14 2003 at 10:12:56
Comments: I have several Brady Theater Club cards if you want to put one on this site.
I am interested in photos of KELI DJ's. If anyone has some would you contact me via this site.
It would be great to have a Brady club card here. All the KELi DJ photos I have are on the site.
August 13 2003 at 22:34:53
Name: David Batterson
Location: Palm Springs, CA
I have the full list of names, but I'll just name a few. That's me (top row,
3rd from left), Ed Dumit (2nd row, right end) and Mary Kay Place (1st row,
3rd from right).
|Time: August 13 2003 at 22:30:20
Name: Rich Lohman
Location: In the 'fraidy hole...
Comments: I clicked the link (about the bus in Jim Hartz' story below) and scrolled down to Jim Back's documentation of the December 5th (1975) tornado. It brought back a funny story I wanted to share that my late father told us that night.
My Dad was an old bus rat from when we lived in Pittsburgh and that naturally carried over into the beginnings of our lives in Tulsa. He was am member in good stead of the "Mingo Valley Sweathogs" so named because for the majority of that summer the bus he rode on had no air conditioning. The regulars on that route petitioned to get either the AC fixed on the bus that ran the route or get a new bus. Don't remember how that came out.
Anyway, my father was on his way home on that December afternoon and the bus exited highway 169 at 21st, which for the longest time was as far south as it went. The storm had just passed over that area and the bus driver brought the bus to a screeching halt in the parking lot of the Tiffany Bowl (now a Mercado of Hispanic goods) and said "We ain't going no futher...".
Dad got home at like 6 or 7 that night, impeded by all the traffic and emergency vehicles, in time for a school sponsored fun night that our family and maybe 5 other families attended at Briarglen Elementary that night.
As for my sister and I, our memory of that afternoon was watching Zeb, then part of Gilligan's Island before being thrown bodily into our closet by my mother after she watched the tornado come out of the clouds from our back door window.
Sorry for going so long but this weather talk is so cool.
August 13 2003 at 20:29:56
Name: Jim Hartz
Location: Alexandria, VA
Comments: Reading the tornado warning stories, especially Mike Millers harrowing experience, reminded me of my first reporting on Oklahoma weather. It wasnt nearly as scary but nevertheless amusing years later.
I had just gone to work for KRMG and it was in the same time frame, probably 1959, could have been the same storm. I was in the stations mobile unit, a blue Volkswagen bus, out in Red Fork, where the story that night in that place was not twisters but flooding. This was long before the Keystone Dam was built, so the Arkansas River often widened out downstream in the springtime.
I was driving around Red Fork in a blinding thunderstorm looking for anyone to talk to. Understandably, most people worth interviewing were not out on the streets but hunkered down somewhere. With absolutely nothing to say, except it was raining like Hell and I was driving through a foot or two of water, I was switched on the air for a live report.
I couldnt begin to recreate the first part of the report over 40 years later, but I will never forget the last part. I spotted a figure 50 feet or so ahead, and as I drew nearer I recognized the man as a Tulsa policeman whom I knew. All this time I was carrying on live, very seriously about the conditions in Red Fork. But I was rapidly running out of stuff to say: there is lightning and thunder, its raining hard, the wind is blowing and the water is rising. I didnt have anything about, or a word from, a human being. The cop was going to be my salvation.
I drove up to him, rolled down the window and shouted through the thunderous din and into the microphone, Whats going on out here!
He had his hand up to his ear, and when he lowered it I could see a tiny
transistor radio. Looking a little puzzled he said, Hell, Jim, how
would I know, Im listening to you.
|Time: August 13 2003 at 14:03:21
Name: Rich Lohman
Location: Tulsa as usual...
Comments: Well, when I moved here I was 5 years old (I turn 35 next month) and the only one of the four of us that had even HEARD of a tornado was my late father, who had experienced one while in the Air Force in Wichita Falls, Texas.
I've told this story before, but we moved here in October 1973 and 8 months later we got initiated into old man tornado with the June 8 1974 storm. It made an impression, believe you me...as I recall, a storm went right over the house here in the air, and we transplanted northern folks were ducking and covering, while our neighbors were on their porches drinking lemonade.
As I said, I look back on those days with guarded fondness...I like the way
they do the severe weather updates now, but there was a lot more, um...urgency
to the way it was presented direct from Ben Barker at the Tulsa NWS office.
No offense to the way the local meteorologists interpreted it then or now,
|Time: August 13 2003 at 09:18:08
Name: Jim Ruddle
Location: Rye, NY
Comments: Ah, but television weather alerts are so much clearer than the radio announcements that used to say:
"The storm area is on a line forty miles north of Gotebo to Sallisaw, and
from six miles east of Haileyvile to a point somewhere around Anadarko."
You never knew whether the damned thing was near you, over you, or heading
|Time: August 12 2003 at 14:52:47
Comments: Jim Reid reminds me of a particularly funny (looking back) memory concerning warnings.
In about '93 or '94, an especially nasty round of storms was heading into Tulsa. Being the weather nut I was/is, I had my NOAA weather radio at the ready. It was very late (around midnight or so) when the winds started to blow. Sure enough, the alarm sounded.
I should mention here that I had a Midland alert radio, which featured a very nasty alert setting that, when activated, sounded like very loud guitar feedback. To get that awfulness to stop, you just press the 'WARNING' button. Then you would have to listen to the NOAA alert tone preceeding the warning.
In any event, the alarm went off, and the reader went into full warning mode,
announcing a tornado warning for Tulsa and Creek counties. I especially remember
the terms "large tornado" and "dangerous situation" being mentioned. As the
warning ended, one could hear several clicks (I can only assume this was
an attempt to cut the live feed by the reader). The dead air lasted for a
couple of minutes before the following statement went out to scared Tulsans:
"Hey Dave, I hope the tornado takes out this f***ing piece of
|Time: August 12 2003 at 14:29:14
Name: Jim Reid
Comments: At KTUL, we used to leave the weather bulletin slide on top of the slide projector for fast access. There was a speaker in engineering and one in B audio. I don't think they could be turned down. They would give a :60 warning and you'd run and load the slide, yell at the engineers to turn on the radar and run to the control room. They would then give you a :30 warning. They used the big tones for each warning. When you heard the third tone, you punched up the slide and the audio guy took the wx service line live.
I do remember one time when the guys at the weather service left the line
open and were talking amongst themselves. Since it couldn't be muted, the
announcer was unable to do any live announcements in the
|Time: August 12 2003 at 12:28:26
Name: John Hillis
Location: Cleaning up the Storm Cellar
Comments: On the road last month in Kentucky, we heard the NOAA alarm and the automated voice to a storm warning for Versailles, Kentucky. But Mister Computer prouounced it Var-SIGH, like in France, not Ver-SALES, as they do in Kentucky. The local DJ came out of the alert making some kind of remark about putting out storm warnings for France.
The Stephen Hawking voice just makes the experience of a warning being issues more upsetting and less personal. Personally, I much perfer the voice of ol' Joe down at the airport telling me that the plague of frogs is about to get underway, and we might want to repent.
Which leads to a New Orleans, not a Tulsa, TV Memory--TV weatherman Nash
Roberts, whose AMS card is like #6, was still getting on camera in his mid-80s
when hurricanes threatened. The local saw was that if the old guy was on
screen, there was a threat of a hurricane; if he started drawing on a map
with a magic marker, it was time to evacuate the
|Time: August 12 2003 at 09:45:05
Comments: These days, most of the information provided on NOAA weather radio is voiced by a computer. It kind of sounds like a real person. Well, not really.
I believe warnings are still voiced by an actual person (with the aforementioned drawer-soiling tone calling attention to the warning), but I know that in some cities, even the warnings are computer-voiced.
Speaking of tones that make you want to cry for mommy, I still can't get over tornado sirens. I've lived in Oklahoma my entire life, and I've heard them sound countless times, but still I get that heart-stopping fear when they go off.
NOAA broadcasts sound like physicist Stephen Hawking's voice synthesizer.
|Time: August 11 2003 at 21:53:15
Name: Mike Miller
Location: Vienna, VA
Comments: Severe weather warnings were in their infant stages when I began working at KTUL-Radio in 1959, then operating in an old farmhouse in Turley. As I recall, the weather alert system seldom activated much ahead of a tornado or violent thunderstorm.
One weekend afternoon, I was playing records when I received a telephone call from Jay Jones providing me with an important weather bulletin. Jay shouted: Theres a tornado on the ground near Turley, put on an LP and head for the cellar!" As I rounded the corner heading for the basement stairs, I looked out the backdoor and saw the towers which seemed to wave back and forth in the roar of the wind.
The twister barely missed the station (and transmitter,) but Turley residents
got no advance warning from me. Im not sure where Jay got his. I was
so grateful I forgot to ask.
|Time: August 11 2003 at 21:16:23
Name: Rich Lohman
Location: Tulsa...is it summer? really?
Comments: I remember those old weather bulletins with guarded fondness. I mean, when they'd pop on they would just be on there with the alert tone that made you soil your drawers. No intro or neat graphics or anything.
After the discordant alert tone, the telephone-quality warnings were delivered by a serious, but non-professional voice, intoning the names of affected counties: Creek, Osage, Payne, Kay, Noble, Nowata, Craig, Ottawa, Mayes, Rogers, Wagoner, Muskogee, Okfuskee, McIntosh...in fact, I think they still are.
|Time: August 11 2003 at 08:21:19
Comments: Concerning the KOTV "Storm Watch" graphic from '77, I find it very interesting that KOTV used text graphics for storm warning purposes up until at least '92, maybe later. The first use of a map in the corner of the screen was utilized by (I believe) KWTV in OKC in the 80's. Keeping the map current was done by hand up until the early 90's, when computer programs were developed to do this automatically.
I can't imagine having to be the person to do that task. I can only think that some poor soul in the control room was standing next to a teletype (as was used then), waiting for the next warning to come along.
I know KTUL and KOKI used to broadcast NWS warnings live from NOAA weather radio at least into the early '90s. I don't recall this ever being done in OKC.
I saw an interesting program on OETA yesterday morning. It was called "The
Oklahoma I Remember", and it had a segment on drive-ins in the state, as
well as a trip down Route 66, narrated by Michael Wallis. I would love to
see more of that.
|Time: August 11 2003 at 01:47:05
Name: Joy Cooper
Location: The Pine Thicket
Comments: Hey, I remember the Shake-A-Go-Go..the only place you could escape school during lunch. East Central was considered to be in the boonies in 1969 so the students didn't have much of a choice. But, it wouldn't have mattered if the food tasted like fried weeds, we were free from that endless spiral hallway for a few minutes.
Mike, East Central is planning a 35th year reunion and Linda Johnson said she would post a message on Tulsa TV Memories. I think they are going to include any East Central alumni this year, regardless of when they graduated...or that was the plan the last time I talked to her. So, you must attend!!! There is information on the reunion being posted on the classmates.com website as well. That's all I know...just that it's in the planning stages.
If anyone knows Steve Wiley from the class of 1969, tell him that one former Tulsan has more than TV memories of him and that he better not hide out and miss this reunion! Were you in the hallway the day they put a dead skunk in a locker next to mine and when the girl opened it...Ewwwww...I had to sit in the back of every class away from the other kids for the rest of the day. I would love to know who pulled that stunt.
Good old T-town...miss it like mad. PEACE
Sadly for me, I missed out on the skunk incident. I plan to be there...good to hear from you again, Joy.
|Time: August 10 2003 at 21:23:17
Name: Jo Dee Davis Tinkel
Comments: I'm a native Tulsan (48 years), and have enjoyed strolling down memory lane via your website. The ice cream song was great!
Does anyone remember that Betty Boyd also taught a charm school course at Sears back in the late 60's - early 70's? She taught it with her daughter, and it was a lot of fun.
Near the top of Guestbook 1, Dee Lundy also recalled the "Betty Boyd Charm School" at Sears.
August 10 2003 at 15:26:19
Name: Chris Ekema
Location: Waxahachie, TX
Comments: I was looking at a page on KOTV Channel 6 during a "storm watch". What did this station do if there was a storm warning issued? What did the graphic look like?
It must have been very similar to the 1977 "Storm Watch" graphic at left.
|Time: August 09 2003 at 00:21:44
Comments: In the previous Guestbook, local coverage of the assassination of JFK in 1963 was recalled first-hand by Jim Hartz and Mike Miller. This line of inquiry was opened up by John Lock, who was doing telephone work at KTUL when the story broke.
The Pop Shoppe and Favor Flavors were outfits that sold only pop (or soda, depending on your origin) here in Tulsa in the 70s; they were a topic. "Beef Baloney" debuted. It's a new Saturday midnight local comedy show on FOX23 (and Cox 71).
About 10 days ago, there was a local controversy about the preempting of a network show, "Queer Eye For The Straight Guy". It now appears that the show will be seen in Tulsa after all. The history of preemptions on Tulsa TV was thoroughly covered by Wilhelm Murg, Jim Reid, Dave Rigsby, and the webmaster.
The characteristically limp handshake of politicians was mentioned by Frank Morrow. I wonder if before long, new California gubernatorial candidate Arnold Schwarzenegger will wish he had that "Terminator" arm.
Paul Shushkewitch, the "Soap Swami" on "Six in the Morning", passed away. His picture was added to Erick's note about him.
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