September 25 2009 at 17:39:48 Name: Scott Linder Topic: The Rocket Radio
Comments: My favorite radio when I was a kid in the 50s was the
Dad bought it for me at TG&Y, as I recall. It was a little crystal/diode
set with a plastic earpiece. It had a alligator-style ground clip, and the
best ground in the house was the metal finger stop on our bakelite Southwestern
Bell desk phone in the hallway phone nook.
With a little experimentation, I discovered the phone terminal box just outside
the window in my bedroom and ran a ground wire into the room. I could hide
under my Roy Rogers sheets and listen to every Tulsa station after bedtime....
The finger stop on the phone... I wouldn't have thought of that again
on my own. I used it as a ground, too.
September 25 2009 at 13:34:49 Name: Wilhelm Murg Topic: Makeshift Radios Email: wilhelmurg at yahoo dot
com Comments: Mr. Bagsby's story reminded me of my youth in Pawhuska.
There was a barn on our property that burnt down when I was in the 2nd or
3rd grade, sometime in the late sixties. We had a relay station at the top
of the hill, the barn had sat at the bottom. After the fire the tin that
made up the roof was just stacked up to the side, no one ever hauled it off.
On occasion you could hear KOKN AM perfectly through the abandoned tin.
I had a Vox Wah-Wah Pedal ("Makes your guitar sound like a sitar") and a
Sears Silvertone amp that would also pick up the station when the amp was
turned up to eleven.
Let's see you do that with digital media!
September 25 2009 at 11:46:53 Name: Greg Leslie Topic: Jay Spivey 1936-2009 Email: gregleslie at yahoo dot
com Comments: I attended the memorial service for Jay Spivey yesterday
in OKC. Jay was the Stage Manager at WKY/KTVY/KFOR for 32 years, and was
the reason many of us have careers in television. He hired me, my (to-be)
wife and my brother, and many many other friends. Despite being confined
to a wheelchair for half his life, Jay never slowed down, never stopped smiling,
never stopped being a teacher, an inspiration, a role model to all of us.
He will be missed.
September 25 2009 at 07:40:13 Name: David Bagsby Topic: Radio Comments: This is tangential, but back in the CB radio
craze, some jerk who lived in the apartments behind our house had a huge
antennae and a linear amp for his setup which I guess is illegal to use in
the city because of its power. When this guy would broadcast, you could not
only hear it on your transistor radio, but over the TV, the telephone and
I swear we heard him once coming out of the refrigerator!
My Dad was a pretty laid-back kind of guy, but one day he took a coffee can,
a power drill and a small 'shit on a stick' AM radio out to a storage building
we had next to those apartments. When the guy started yakking, Dad heard
it over the
stepped out, put the drill in the coffee can, aimed it at the antennae and
ran the drill for about 10 seconds then went back in the shed. 30 seconds
later, that radio dork came out and threw a beer can at the tower. He dismantled
it the next day. My brother and I refer to that incident as 'Dad's Death
September 24 2009 at 20:54:59 Name: John K. Young Topic: Radio "Watching" Email:
johnk662561atyahoodotcom Comments: The comments by others here regarding watching radio
folks ply their trade brought back a fond memory for me.
I had always wanted to get into radio. The idea of sitting in a room, listening
to music and talking to myself outloud had a strong amount of appeal for
When I was in high school, I worked at the Braums Ice Cream store in Sapulpa.
At the time, I was a fan of KXOJ when they still had their studios in what
appeared to have been a 3-bedroom house just outside of Sapulpa on Frankoma
Road. Occasionally, the guys at the station would call in for an order of
burgers and fries. Since I got off late, I'd be tapped to deliver the
food..."just remember to put the money in the till the next day".
I'd deliver the food and I would get the pleasure of watching the guys work.
They'd be cuing up records, flipping carts and just appear to be having a
great time in general. It was then that I realized that there was an actual
amount of "work" involved and that it was more than just sitting in a room,
playing music and talking to ones self out loud.
I remember being a bit surprised by how the turntables were operated. No
knobs...just a light switch mounted on the cabinet below each of the two
If I didn't say it then, I'll say it now...to the guys who let a gawky teenager
come to the station and "hang out" and watch, thank you! You made my Senior
Year. I never got a chance to actually "work" in radio, but, thanks to those
two guys at the old KXOJ, it lit an interest that has remained with me ever
since. Thanks to that interest, it has allowed me to come in contact with
some wonderful folks over the years such as Mike Downing, John Erling, Johnny
Rivers, and the late Rick Alan West and the late Jan Dean.
I appreciate the patience and forebearance and friendship that many of you
have shown me over the years. It's meant a lot! :)
September 24 2009 at 20:30:53 Name: John K. Young Topic: Re: Audio Issues Email:
johnk662561atyahoodotcom Comments: Scott...
Thanks for your response. At first, we thought the issue was either with
the TV or the signal. We'd change the channel and all the others would be
working fine. So, that told us that the TV was working fine. I figured it
had to be an issue with the signal either from the network source or from
the local station source. Since the station didn't go to black or offer any
sort of "We're sorry...we're having technical difficulties" explanation,
I just assumed the no dialog issue was with the station and that someone
was either asleep or just didn't give a rip.
September 24 2009 at 19:05:44 Name:
Mike Miller Topic: Ancient Radio Comments: When I worked at KTUL Radio in 1959 we recorded
spots on large turntables and the vinyl fuzz would accumulate in trash barrels.
A discarded Bob Gregory cigarette would occasional generate black, acrid
smoke. When we made the transition from LPs to audio carts they were easier
to cue up. However, the carts made a lot of noise causing us to fade the
microphone?s potentiometer on every commercial.
We also had a strict policy of not running competing spots back to back.
And if there was an airline crash in the news, policy dictated that all airline
spots be cancelled.
September 24 2009 at 17:52:59 Name: Mitch Gray Topic: Ode Radio Email: North Of You Comments: Ah the old radio days.
I like to think everyone started in small market radio and worked up to a
50,000 watt flamethrower. Nothing like switching the old Harris board into
audition when you're live on the air to get a few spots produced!
That's how my broadcast journey panned out.
We were taught to never run back to back spots of like competitors, In other
words, don't follow the Fred Jones Ford spot with Gary Henry Chevrolet.And
watch your diction. Don't say "Jest or Fer".
I started out at KMMM 106.9 FM in Muskogee back in the seventies. (This station
later became K107 Tulsa). Every morning you had to crawl over equipment and
the stacks of old Danny Davis LPs in the transmitter room to get to the 200
amp disconnect that energized the station. If you had something to sell or
you lost your dog, don't forget to call in for "Trading Post" or the "Pet
I always put callers on the air. Although is was cheap entertainment, you
had to keep your finger on the kill button.
Finally, I got out of the racket when stations started being "consulted"
as to format and programming. "Here, read this card and shut up!"
As if some Prima Donna in L.A. knew what the folks in Oklahoma wanted to
Sometimes progress just isn't.
September 24 2009 at 17:04:11 Name: TulsaRick Topic: Overnights radio Email: firstname.lastname@example.org Comments: When I started overnights in 1997 on the late great
KVOO AM 1170, I was under the tutelage of the great Jack Fox. I was free
to come in any shift to observe for a few days before my on-air debut, but
I always preferred Jack, who had the 7 pm to midnight shift. I admired his
take on the opposite sex and politics, and man did he have some tales.
Anyway, I expressed concern about being able to stay awake until 6 am, and
he said in the old vinyl days, he would put on an LP, light a cigarette,
place it between his fingers and doze off. When he begin to feel the heat,
he`d awaken. Man that was radio.
September 24 2009 at 14:43:37 Name: Wilhelm Murg Topic: RADIO RADIO Email: wilhelmurg at yahoo dot
com Comments: I grew up dreaming of being a DJ and when I finally
got into radio it was the absolute end of golden age, 1990. We had carts,
but they were automated, as we were a satellite station all but during the
morning and afternoon drives. I never pursued it as a profession because
I felt that radio no longer needed people like me, that is to say. people
who are passionate about the art of putting all these pieces of audio together.
I know a D.J. at a local station and it's fully automated with prepared play
lists, no instrumental introductions are allowed, and everything is put together
I'm sorry to see the old days go. I remember when radio seemed to be magic,
you could call the DJ and harass him to play "Chick-A-Boom" or some other
godforsaken stupid song.
Another friend told me the first time he heard John Lennon's "Instant Karma"
he was on his bicycle going along Harvard and a car came along side of him
tuned to KAKC; it was the day the song was released to the radio stations.
He kept up with the car just so he could hear the song.
Now it's hard to find anything you want to hear in the avalanche of music
coming at us from all sides and John Lennon would probably find it hard to
get airtime today (when was the last time you heard a new McCartney song
on the radio?) The irony is now we've gone full circle - instead of the DJ
wondering if anyone is listening to him, the audience is wondering if anyone
is manning the station while the music plays. I'm sure there were moments
at my station when nobody was at the station and nobody was listening; but
the poor sponsors still had to pay to keep the station going.
I am waiting to see if any local stations start taking cues from XM. I love
the "Deep Tracks" station, it reminds me of KMOD back in the mid-seventies,
before it was marketed to the lowest common denominator. I would listen to
radio in the car if such a station existed over the air.
I never thought the day would come where I would try to avoid local radio
while I drove.
September 24 2009 at 12:43:46 Name:
Jim Ruddle Topic: Good Music Comments: This isn't particularly germane to what's been
said recently, however, every time I think of it, I get another kick.
Some years ago--quite a few actually--I read a short piece by a guy who had
been employed in the infant days of FM radio, somewhere in the New York area.
Very few people had FM receivers then.
He was tapped for the overnight shift, midnight to six a.m., and went about
his work with dedication.
But he was also going to school and the twin demands of work and school were
wearing him down.
One early morning, about three o'clock, he suddenly started up, aware that
he had been asleep and that his 33 and a third classical disc was tracking
in the center grooves. A pleasant enough hiss, but--My God!--He looked at
the clock and realized he'd been dozing for about twenty minutes.
He waited anxiously for the call that would tell him he was fired.
It never came.
The next night, he played a few sides, then stopped playing anything. Again,
no one called.
Recognition dawned: Nobody, but nobody was tuned to the station.
For the next few weeks, he reported for duty, put his head down and snoozed.
Finally, he gave up the gig and moved on.
Many of us have probably stared at a microphone in the deep of night and
wondered whether we were just talking to ourselves.
That reminds me of a story from Larry King's first book about his early
radio career. (This is all from memory.)
In the wee hours, he gets a call from a sexy-voiced female fan. She invites
him to make a house call. Larry announces to his radio audience that he has
a special treat for them: "Harry Belafonte Live At Carnegie Hall" in its
entirety and without commercial interruption. He stacks the LPs, hops in
his car, goes to the address, knocks on the door and this gorgeous redhead
in lingerie opens it. As they immediately start making out, he hears the
radio in her bedroom tuned to his station, where Harry Belafonte is crooning:
"As the music draws you closer
And you're falling down my spine
I will catch you
In my arms now
Where the night, Where the night, Where the night, Where the night, Where
In a panic, he pulls free, jumps in his car, guns back to the station in
ten minutes flat and gets the record unstuck. The phone rings. He picks it
up with trepidation. A weary voice says, "'Vere da night, vere da night,
vere da night." The old Jewish man explains, "I'm sick and can't get out
of bed to change the radio station. You make me crazy with the 'vere da
September 23 2009 at 14:16:46 Name: Scott Linder Topic: More bad audio
Comments: Gary, it's nice to know that at least two of us miss
and lament the times when production values actually mattered. One would
think that listeners would complain, but we must consider that many of todays
media consumers have no standard of reference against which to assess quality.
After all, many actually listen to MP3 files. Ugh...
By the way, although many NPR segments are pre-recorded, feature programs
are often done real-time and through-the-glass. Gee, what a concept!!
September 23 2009 at 13:40:35 Name:
Gary Chew Topic: Bad Cable and the Loss of Real Time
Radio Comments: Audio levels are horrendous when local cable
automates an upcut into the program stream. I use my mute button more now
than ever. (No doubt, a bigger boon to society than the sliced bread we hear
so much about.) Local cable never fails to blow out TV speakers with these
Automation took the flow out of 'modern' radio, as well, especially for us
blokes who did it for nearly 50 years running. Example: Nowadays, at the
classical station I worked at, music hosts go into a studio and engineer
their own voice-track to go with, say, 4 hours of music (they've programmed),
timed to the second. The announcer's voice doesn't get to rest during the
actual airplay of the music. My half century of hosting such stuff made it
difficult for me to get through 4 hours worth of music, even though I did
the session in only about an hour. (Now, what can we get Gary to do that
doesn't have anything to do with his music knowledge or talent since he's
got his voice-track in the can?) More and more, music hosts, generally, sound
more perfunctory in their delivery, I believe. Couldn't be because their
canned, could it?
And upcut audio is S-O-P everywhere in radio now, except NPR; at least, last
time I happened to listen to it.
They don't have upcut audio on the movie music channel from XM and Sirius.
Ah, there's music from "American Beauty," right now.
September 23 2009 at 13:28:25 Name: Scott Linder Topic: Audio issues Comments: John, the audio problems you heard on CSI are
very strange. It's difficult to believe, but it sound as if a audio lay-back
reel aired, rather that the full stereo mix. This is the only way I could
explain segments with only the M and E tracks with no dialogue. Very strange...
In the past, all final reels must follow the technical standards of the networks,
and are viewed top-to-bottom by QC.
Oh wait.... they probably fired all those pesky quality control people, too.
September 23 2009 at 13:00:17 Name: John K. Young Topic: Sound and Silence Email:
johnk662561atyahoodotcom Comments: Regarding some of what Mike Miller and Scott Linder
were talking about... it may have simply been an issue with the digital
transition, but there were times when the CBS affilliate here in Phoenix
would lose dialog on a show. For example, "CSI" would be cruising right along
and all of a sudden you'd see action and hear the "mood music"...but no dialog.
Other times, the picture would go but the music and dialog remained. It was
rather annoying, to say the least.
September 23 2009 at 12:07:53 Name: Scott Linder Topic: Sloppy commercial insert timing
Comments: Yes, Mike Miller, it's hard not to notice the up-cuts
and sloppy outs during breaks on almost every network feed these days. I
can assure you that what you are seeing is an artifact of local commercial
insertion by your cable or dish provider. These days, insertions are most
often fully-automated, often with no human involvement during the actual
Gee, I remember when local affiliates employed Directors, audio mixers and
tape-ops who were expected to run breaks on-time and make good transitions.
This is no longer the case, which also explains the audio level problems
you noted. No person is riding levels and many MCs and head-ends have no
access to audio levels... they just take the source as-is.
The local NBC affiliate here in L.A. is now doing news with audio-follow-video.
Yep.... none of the talent can speak until their camera is on-air. Otherwise,
their mic is dead. This from a NBC O and O !!! But, it did allow them do
get rid of those pesky audio guys.
September 23 2009 at 08:50:38 Name: DolfanBob Topic: Cain's book Email: MiamiPhin@yahoo.com Comments: A good friend of mine is finishing up a book on
the Cain's Ballroom. He would really like to talk with a few more people
who were associated with or had stories they would like to share about the
The book has been being written for the last two years and will be going
to its final editing in the next two months.
Larry Schaeffer is involved and he is talking with Billy
Parker today. Please contact him at email@example.com
September 23 2009 at 02:25:08 Name: Wilhelm Murg Topic: This and That Email: wilhelmurg at yahoo dot
com Comments: Flo is played by Stephanie Courtney, who is a Groundling
and she also does voices for Adult Swim. I am positive your reading is correct.
Being one of those six Oklahoma (Pro-Gun) Liberals, I love what Sam Jones
has attempted to do. That said, I hope you put the video on the web so someone
sees it. Everytime I turn on RSU I get old film clips of Maria Callas and
Everyone forgets that Helter Skelter was in 1969.
Ah, the woman with two first names.
September 23 2009 at 00:54:31 Name: JW Topic: Ebb and flow of posting and Sam
Jones Comments: I've read this board since Mr. R put it up.
Maybe I'm crazy but it always seems a little slower when the weather changes
and it's actually nice outside. I would suspect that football has some degree
of the blame too.
What day does that Sam Jones appearance air? I've always liked him. I've
been disappointed in Channel 6 since they dumped his show. Whether you agree
with Sam's politics or not, he put a pretty darn good local talk show together.
Sam Jones is hosting a live show at RSU next week. Sonny Gray is the musical
September 22 2009 at 23:34:17 Name: Gary Chew Topic: More of '69 Comments: Oh, c'mon. Other haps in 69: Ted Kennedy's
bad driving. Kurt Vonnegut, Jr's Slaughterhouse 5, a Rolling Stone
fan died at the Altamont bash near Oakland, and 3 truly trend-setting films
came out in '69: "Easy Rider," "The Wild Bunch" and "Butch Cassidy and the
Sundance Kid." Those 3 still play on cable. Add all that to the first Moon
Walk and Woodstock and you've got a pretty interesting year to remember,
and, gulp, I almost forgot, Vietnam, too.
September 22 2009 at 22:48:20 Name:
Gary Chew Topic: Fave TV Salesboy
Comments: Flo is a great spokeswoman for Progressive, but here's
the ultimate sales guy, in my book and it ain't the late Billy Mays.
Del in Cal
September 22 2009 at 22:19:36 Name: Wilhelm Murg Topic: Outdoor Bathtubs Email: wilhelmurg at yahoo dot
com Comments: I couldn't agree more about the Cialis commercial.
First of all, I have never seen an outdoor bathtub. Secondly, ergo, I have
never seen two sitting side by side. Thirdly, if this couple is feeling so
sexy why aren't they either taking a shower together, or at least sitting
in the same tub? Fourthly, why would you want to sit in an outdoor bathtub
next to your partner, is this like some cheap version of a hot tub?
I figure the news must be a prestigious (i.e.- expensive) place to buy ads
because it hits an older (i.e.- more financially stable) demographic that
might be in the market for something like Cialis.
I don't know about anyone else, but I have never recommended ANY drug to
my doctor; I don't even remember the names. At this point commercials are
a blur to me, with the exception of the Progressive commercial - I'm in love
with their spokeswoman. However, I did check to see if I could save on my
auto insurance with Progressive and I could get liability for the same price
I am currently paying for full coverage from my bland insurance company that
barely advertises. And no, I don't even know the name of my insurance company
- I just wait for them to bill me.
It's not like the old days when my Grandfather used to hang out with his
insurance agent. Too bad they didn't have dual outdoor bathtubs in those
Re "Flo", the Progressive insurance spokeswoman: I sense that she is filled
with disdain for her hapless customers, and expresses it by encouraging them
to respond to her simulated enthusiasm, while laughing at them from behind
her makeup. The sterile whiteness and crass commerciality of her work environment
aggravate her suppressed bohemian angst. Or is that reading in too much?
September 22 2009 at 18:35:54 Name:
Mike Miller Topic: For Discussion Comments: I agree Facebook may be the culprit with an
abundance of mindless chit-chat (I ate a candy bar today) and too many angry
exchanges from left and right, (also quite mindless.) "You lie!" "No, you
To get the ball rolling, perhaps someone out there will jump in and tackle
a few questions that I've often wondered about. (I know, too much time on
I've noticed something very odd during the CBS Evening News with Katie Couric.
At the end of a commercial break, the director is quite often a split second
late and we see a very brief glimpse of another commercial or quite often
a shot of Pres. Obama. I doubt it's subliminal; our president doesn't really
need additional TV exposure. It's possible it's done locally here in
Jacksonville, but it's a nightly occurrence. I wonder if anybody else has
noticed. Mike Bruchas should have an explanation.
While we're discussing network newscasts, can somebody explain to me why
every one is packed with pharmaceutical ads? Are we "dying" to see the news?
These drug ads usually mention scary side effects making the cure worse than
the disease. And why do Cialis ads show a couple outdoors in separate bathtubs?
Shouldn't they share a shower?
Finally, one thing I've NEVER seen on television is a news anchor sneeze.
I've seen anchors caught with their finger in their nose. I've seen and heard
them cough themselves silly. Even laugh and even cry when they're not supposed
to. I've anchored many newscasts and never ka-chewed or even come close.
Not even my friend Gary Ka-Chew.
Now, let's rejuvenate this wonderful website with some serious theories.
Mike, you remind me of something I've been meaning to mention. Sound levels
on cable and network TV seem to be increasingly erratic. Everyone is familiar
with commercials blaring louder than the program. But why is it that sometimes
the reverse is true?
You also remind me of a 1940s joke, which I updated for the Cialis era:
A man who exceeded the four-hour warning pleaded for help in a drugstore.
The lady pharmacist attempted to treat his problem with epsom salts, rubbing
alcohol, a milk bath, ointments and other unguents, but nothing worked until
she put it in cider.
September 22 2009 at 18:09:58 Name:
Gary Chew Topic: This Here Website Email: North East of Eden Comments: First Off. Congrats to Maestro Ransom's spread in
the WORLD, as well as his upcoming stint on the TV machine.
I think TTVM is a good Website with a good spread to its content. I've just
gone through a Facebook phase that seems to be ebbing quickly, and anything
that's quick for a man of my age is a little unusual.
I'm seldom interested in what other folks post on Facebook, etc, THAT'S NOT
ORIGINAL on their part. A lot of what I see is mundane and so self-directed
that only the very closest of friends of the posting person can find interest.
Of course, that doesn't make it bad by any means. It's neat somebody can
post photos of their kids' first time at doing something special, etc.
What's historic and what's relatively current work well together as far as
I'm concerned. I really enjoy reading about someone I knew in b'cast but
didn't know too well or at all when I was doing such stuff in T-Town. And
I enjoy hearing from or about the Tulsans who've climbed to loftier heights
in show biz, whether b'cast or other parts of entertainment. (I saw Jeanne
Tripplehorn sitting behind someone at the Emmys the other night on CBS. But
that didn't keep me watching the show for too long. ZZZzzzzz. The Giants/Cowboys
game had more energy for me.)
It would be my guess there are lots of folks who surf by here who aren't
so inclined to write anything on their own but like a little taste of Tulsa,
now and then, wherever they are.
In the story, Danna Sue mentions the first year ATC did a season of plays.
I had forgotten that I was in an ATC play that first season of 1969. Gawd,
how time flies.
Now...for the grayer-headed bunch who surf here, can you remember how many
big things happened in 1969? I'll start: Woodstock and the Moon Landing.
WOW! Keep on adding to the list, oldsters. There was lots of stuff, good
and bad, in that very good year.
I see that John Baker ("Lazlo Mimne" of the Uncanny Film Festival and
Camp Meeting) is listed as an actor that year, too. Whatever happened to
him? I've never been able to find out.
September 22 2009 at 17:40:27 Name: Shane Topic: Joe Krieger and Wanda Scott Email: shanedevaux at yahoo dot
com Comments: I am looking for anyone that might have a photo
of Joe Krieger that they own that I can use for my book. Also, does anyone
know where any of his family or the family of Wanda Scott, his sidekick on
his TV show back in the 50s and 60s? Thank you for your help and email me
September 22 2009 at 16:44:51 Name: Scott Linder Topic: Lack of participation on TTVM
Comments: I have also noticed a lack of participation here on
TTVM of late. Certainly, this may have many causes but I would suggest that
it may be partially due to a lack of focus or interest in the original intent
of this website.
Of course, anyone is free to post any thoughts or comments on any subject.
However, I must confess that many recent postings appear to have strayed
from any relationship to the subjects and issues that have attracted many
of us to this unique site for several years.
Frankly, I'm losing interest in TTVM. This seems to be shared by others who
have often contributed in the past, as reflected by their conspicuous absence.
If the focus of the website continues to take another course, I would suggest
that the Webmaster simply archive past blogs as "Tulsa TV Memories" and establish
another site that would better serve those who obviously have other interests.
There have been periodic lulls (as well as
the 10+ year history of this site, which you can spot if you look closely
at the dates on the Archive page.
Right from the beginning, the focus has
been a bit wider than the title would suggest, and intentionally so.
I suspect Wilhelm is exactly on target with his conjecture about Facebook.
I spent a little while in the Facebook vortex, then had to eject, as it was
gobbling up too much of my time.
P.s., I am tentatively set to be a guest on "Green Country Perspectives
with Sam Jones" on KRSC-TV in a week.
September 22 2009 at 16:32:13 Name: TTTg Topic: Desert Isle Query Comments: Setting aside the many pressing issues of the
day, here is one of those hallway queries that simply beggars asking:
If you were to be marooned on a desert island with one of these 3 companions,
whom would you choose:
Elvira, Mistress of the Dark
Be specific in your reasoning!
I am certain the moderator of this site will give special kudos to his favorite
I made my selection in the hallway today, but will withhold my reasoning
at this time.
September 22 2009 at 13:37:37 Name: Wilhelm Murg Topic: The total lack of participation on
this page over the last four days Email: wilhelmurg at yahoo dot
com Comments: I think we're all spending too much time putting
old clips up on Facebook. I know I am.
September 19 2009 at 08:34:19 Name: Webmaster Topic: Previous GroupBlog link Comments: