The history of Lee &
	Lionel
	 
	 
	 
	(...via email, 6/25/2000) Lee Woodward said:
	 
	 I mentioned
	that the
	Captain
	(Kangaroo) did not want kids in the studio. He alluded to not wanting
	them to see all the tricks and destroy the illusion. However, In my case,
	I was not really doing a show for kids any more than Mazeppa was. I got most
	of my material from the daily news or what was behind the news. Yes, there
	was silliness too! But, the point is... with kids in the studio, you can't
	control them even if they are just there to watch. Besides, I had my own
	kids behind the cameras. Dick Fletcher (The Sapulpa Bandit), Richard
	Parker, Fred Wightman, Buddy Allison, Leon Meier and some
	others. They and the engineers were the audience.
	 
	When it was decided to go with a full blown Lee & Lionel show featuring
	the "Three Stooges," I decided it was also time for a REAL
	castle. So, out to the shop I went and with 2x4's and 1/2 inch plywood
	I started to build. For all the lattice work, I used cut up picture frame
	molding. To cover the round parapets, I used screen molding. I had a six
	foot long plastic pipe cut in two lengthwise and fitted out front as the
	"moat!" Of course, I had the large double doors that would open when
	I pulled a lever. I
	  had
	a runway for the toy car that ran just behind the open doors. The
	styrofoam ball being blown from the smoke stack, suspended just above it.
	The koala bear in the right rear tower was on a lever that raised
	him up. I controlled that with my foot. I had a railing on the inside of
	the castle the was just the right height for me to rest my elbow on to support
	Lionel and when I had Lionel or Granny in the right front parapet, they actually
	sat a little higher. There were some angles that could give away the illusion,
	But Ralph and the camera crew never let that happen. Sometimes, a film would
	break and they would have to come out to the studio and I would be caught
	"bare handed!" So, I would act as though Lionel or Basil or Granny were down
	in the dungeon while I was busily getting one of them ready to fill!
	 
	The castle's size was from wall to wall...six
	feet inside by about four feet deep. With the lawn, from front to back it
	was about six and a half feet. From side to side outside, about eight feet
	wide. The middle rear parapet was removable to allow us to get it out of
	the studio, so to the top of the flag pole, it was over eight feet tall.
	The only place we ever took it was to do the Philharmonic "Pops Concerts"
	with
	 Maestro Franco Autori. He was a delight and
	loved Lionel. After the third concert, he came to me and said, "I will come
	over to the castle after the applause, to congratulate Lionel. And when I
	do, you must have him bite me!" I thought that was great! So, we did the
	"Brittain" piece, Franco came over and hugged Lionel, who then bit him on
	the neck! Maestro made a big play out of it and it was very funny. Like most
	conductors, he was a great showman. I performed with the "Phil" over thirty
	times! As an encore during one concert, he asked if I would like to sing
	something? I said yes and the music was ordered for Vincent Youmans' "Without
	A Song." I had sung this many times and to save time in rehearsal, Maestro
	only went through the intro. Bad mistake! I came in early on the bridge and
	all hell broke loose! If you ever doubt the importance of an orchestra conductor,
	don't! He actually got all eighty some odd musicians to cut to the chase
	and saved my bacon. I could tell after the number was over that he wanted
	to come over and bite ME on the neck! KVOO's Jack Moore recorded that
	concert and I got a copy of the encore in which you could hardly tell anything
	had happened. I wonder what happened to all those concerts that KVOO taped.
	There were some real heavy hitters back then. Priceless stuff. I hope someone
	has them!
	 
	Back to the castle! During the years of this show,
	I was pleased that many people thought it was a network or syndicated show.
	We did have a great opening on film, nicely synced with the "Wedding Music"
	mentioned earlier, and the same with the closing credits. On many occasions
	we had guests drop by and as you have seen a full shot of the big castle,
	here is another with Art Linkletter chatting up the King and I.
	 
	 
	 
	 
	 
	 
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