Tulsa TV Memories Guestbook 102

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February 28 2002 at 08:04:06
Name: Greg Webb (via email to webmaster)
Comments: "UHF" will be released on DVD on Tuesday, June 4. Here's a link for more info:

http://www.dvdfile.com/software/dvd-video/index.html#02126002




February 26 2002 at 14:36:45
Name: Don Norton
Email: donaldhnorton@hotmail.com
Location: Tulsa
Comments: If anyone's interested, Norman native Jim (Bum)Garner's biography, "Hollywood Maverick," is scheduled to be repeated on A & E (Cox Cable 28) tonight at 7 and 11 p.m., CST(that's Tuesday, February 26)..




February 26 2002 at 12:58:52
Name: Lorrie Akins (via email to webmaster)
Location: Chicago
Comments: Aloha!

I went to the Tulsa Tiki website and was astounded to see that the author of the page wanted to talk to me - Lorrie Akins. I guess you found my question on the Tiki News web site. I was so excited to see the Tulsa Tiki site. I was born and raised in Tulsa, Ok. I lived there until about 1982 when I went off to college in Texas and later to Illinois. Eventually, I settled down in California for about 7 years and am now residing in Chicago, Illinois. I got into Tiki while living in California. By that time all of the Tiki stuff that I was never aware of while living in Tulsa was all gone. Boo-Hoo!!!!!

I stepped into the Jade East once with my brother to pick up some food and was very curious at what I saw, but didn't know what to think. Later I tried to go back when I realized what I had found and it was gone, gone, gone! I am very happy to now live in a town that hasn't destroyed all of its Tiki stuff. I even have a Tiki bar in my basement and run with a crowd of Tiki maniacs who also have Tiki bars in their house (there are about 6 couples in the group). I know the Trade Winds had some fantastic Tiki mugs, but what about the Jade East? Do you know of any Tiki places left anywhere in the surrounding areas of Tulsa?


Hurrah, my message-in-a-bottle found you. I sure don't know of any surviving Tiki places in Tulsa (except the Tiki Lounge out east; I'm not sure how Tiki they are at this point). We hope to have more about Tulsa Tiki soon. Thanks for writing, Lorrie!





February 25 2002 at 22:49:45
Name: Rodney Lay (via email to webmaster)
Comments: Great Page! Just wanted to let you know that my band and I worked the "Dance Party" on KOTV for about a year back in the mid-60's. The host then was Mike Flynn. We used to play a lot of "sock-hops" for KAKC at the Cimarron Ballroom, Cains Ballroom and the Continental Arena. It was at those hops I met (Leon) Russell Bridges, Johnny (JJ) Cale, David Gates (Bread), Gary Busey and Gailard Sartain. Back in the 60's, KAKC also hosted an appreciation night at Oertles Shopping Center parking lot using our band. The police reported that 110,000 people attended. It is still the record for a concert held in Tulsa, as far as I know. Those were great times and I'm proud to be a part of Tulsa's entertainment history.

Rodney Lay (Rodney and the Blazers)


Great to hear from you, Rodney. I'll get your note onto the Dance Party page.





February 25 2002 at 22:35:53
Name: K.Shaw
Location: OKC,OK
Comments: Alec Greaves passed away on February 21. He was a good friend and very interesting. He liked to talk about his TV days. He was on the radio and TV as Cris Daniels, Deputy Chris and Scoop O'Brien. He was on the Foreman Scotty Show and was one of the first announcers at Channel 4 in OKC. Just a memory from OKC TV.




February 25 2002 at 00:06:34
Name: Don Norton
Email: donaldhnorton@hotmail.com
Location: Tulsa
Comments: For Michael Bruchas:

You missed more than a night of the Olympics! Jim McKay, in a highly unusual dispensation by ABC, joined the NBC team at the Olympics these past two weeks at the invitation of the NBC sports chief--in tribute to McKay's great work. Tonight (Sunday) he announced he's "coming back home" to ABC.




February 24 2002 at 21:00:07
Name: Andre Hinds
Email: ahinds@aol.com
Location: Berryhill
Comments: Regarding M. Bruchas' question about Howard Twilley: "...did he or did he not have Howard Twilley's FOOTLOCKER in Tulsa which later evolved into the national FOOTLOCKER athletic shoe chain now owned by Kinney Shoes?"

Twilley owned the local franchise for The Athlete's Foot chain, not Footlocker.




February 24 2002 at 20:21:27
Name: Mike Bruchas
Location: Late night in NC
Comments: Whenever I see the start of "Bewitched" on Hallmark or other cable channels - I will always remember that the KTUL Morning Movie HAD to get off on time - for "the net to hit" - meaning ABC's first regular program of the national feed to start.

In the pre-Good Morning America days of the early 1970's - that was "Bewitched" lighting up ABC.

Cy Tuma (master ad libber) - if running early - would do a time check ad libbed on the i.d.

With much faith as a projectionist could have THAT ABC would be there - you just took the net at 10:30:00am and up popped Bewitched's open....

With the great Olympic games ending (I worked thru all and NEVER saw a night of coverage and I HATE that), I will forever recall being on duty at 8 on the morning of the Israeli team hostage/murder tragedy at the Munich Summer Olympics of '92. ABC Sports' Jim McKay did some of the best coverage of a horrific news story that an announcer and non-newsman has ever done.

Last heard Jim McKay was still alive in MD - raising race horses...




February 24 2002 at 20:19:30
Name: Mike Bruchas
Location: Still at it in NC after 14 hours...
Comments: Re the crocheted spitoon - that was first bestowed on me by Robert D. Gorton (if still among us - RDG should be about 90 and was living in Dayton,Ohio at last note). I don't know where he first heard it - but the first time I heard him say it - I said, "Huh??". It has stuck with me for 35 years as kind of a white elephant award for something or other...

He was an efficiency expert at one time in his career for Western Electric in the 50's and 60's - but prefered running camera shops in the Chicago suburbs to running stopwatches on workers' performance to do timed tasks.

I can still joke that while in high school and later on breaks from college, that he paid me up to $6.50 an hour as a camera store geeky saleskid. Not bad for 1970/71. My first job at 8 paid a lot less and even when I had made director at 8 in 1974 - Mr. Gorton's retail pay rates eclipsed my $2.50 an hour at KTUL for punching the news.

By the way - the radio in his camera store in the Chicago suburbs was ALWAYS set on WAIT-AM to hear John Doremus or other similar voices. Heaven help us clerk geeks if someone switched it to rocker WLS or jazz voice WSDM and did not re-tune the "store music" WAIT after Mr. G had gone for the day...Mr. & Mrs. G also passed thru Tulsey a couple of times on cross country road trips in their later years and always said "what a neat town..".




February 24 2002 at 20:02:59
Name: Mike Bruchas
Location: Late night in NC
Comments: Whenever I see the start of "Bewitched" on Hallmark or other cable channels - I will always remember that the KTUL Morning Movie HAD to get off on time - for "the net to hit" - meaning ABC's first regular program of the national feed to start.

In the pre-Good Morning America days of the early 1970's - that was "Bewitched" lighting up ABC.

Cy Tuma (master ad libber) - if running early - would do a time check ad libbed on the i.d.

With much faith as a projectionist could have THAT ABC would be there - you just took the net at 10:30:00am and up popped Bewitched's open....

With the great Olympic games ending (I worked thru all and NEVER saw a night of coverage and I HATE that), I will forever recall being on duty at 8 on the morning of the Israeli team hostage/murder tragedy at the Munich Summer Olympics of '92. ABC Sports' Jim McKay did some of the best coverage of a horrific news story that an announcer and non-newsman has ever done.

Last heard Jim was still alive in MD - raising race horses... have ever done.




February 24 2002 at 20:00:12
Name: Mike Miller
Email: typo1@erols.com
Location: Vienna, Virginia (Beltway, DC)
Comments: (I realize the Tulsa World probably covered this, but I don’t pay to read it online.)

Sorry the USA hockey team lost to Canada, but watching the (gold medal) winning coach, I recalled watching Pat Quinn play for the Tulsa Ice Oilers. Pat Quinn played for the Oilers from 67-69 and two games during the 69-70 season. Hockey historian Paul O’Neill has an old photo of Pat Quinn, who had an illustrious NHL career as a player and coach.

http://pages.prodigy.net/oldchl/patquinn.jpg




February 24 2002 at 14:06:41
Name: Mike Miller
Email: typo1@erols.com
Location: Vienna, Virginia (Beltway, DC)
Comments: I remember Howard Twilley AND courthouse spittoons. I believe Mike Bruchas is correct about his footwear store.

When I was at KOTV in the late ‘60s, Twilley was catching passes at TU. At one point, each time he caught a pass, he set a new NCAA record. This was the angle Pat O’Dell, Ron Hagler and I used to shoot weekly features on the wide receiver and feed them to CBS Sports. We’d isolate three different cameras on Twilley during the game and I’d interview him afterwards.

In those days, we looked for creative ways to pad the paycheck. A more frequent way was the standard offer: $10 bucks to put you on the air. Twenty dollars to keep you off.




February 23 2002 at 16:11:58
Name: Mike Bruchas
Location: Charlotttttt, Norf Caryliner
Comments: Ex-football semi-great Howard Twilley - did he or did he not have Howard Twilley's FOOTLOCKER in Tulsa which later evolved into the national FOOTLOCKER athletic shoe chain now owned by Kinney Shoes? Or was the name just a timely coincidence?

Didn't he do his local spots in the early days at KJRH? Who recalls?




February 22 2002 at 23:07:02
Name: Frank Morrow
Email: frankmor@io.com
Location: Austin
Comments: Speaking of spittoons, how many of you are old enough to remember the cuspidors that were placed at various places on the floors of the Tulsa courthouse and post office?




February 22 2002 at 20:19:19
Name: Mike Bruchas
Location: Charlotte, NC
Comments: To RICH at KJRH - congratulations - you win the coveted crocheted spitoon award for so many night hours. I can think of guys/gals at 6 & 8 who worked 20 years-plus on the nightshift doing the late news but know of NO ONE doing the overnight shift that long....either you love that shift or KJRH can't run without you at the helm in that time spot! Now go home and get some sleep!


That's the tag line for Dave Attell's TV show "Insomniac" on Comedy Central. He visits a different city every week and checks in with graveyard shift workers and drunks in the wee hours. I sent him a note a couple of months ago and an even better one just now, trying to persuade him to do Tulsa. If he can do Boise, why not Tulsa?

Insomniac





February 22 2002 at 09:05:37
Name: Rich Edmunds
Email: edmunds@kjrh.com
Location: Tulsa, OK
Comments: I am a master control director for KJRH-TV. I work the overnight (11pm to 9am) shift and have since 01 Jan 1989. Now that puts me into my 14th year of overnights. Wonder if that's any kind of a Tulsa TV record. If not, I wonder what the record is for overnights without going insane. Doesn't matter. I went crazy some time ago. Just found the site so I am getting acquainted. Saw a little about Big Bill and OO-MA-Gog plus a little bit about Fantastic Theater and that eerie music. Still creeps me out thinking about it. More later.

Rich in OK-lahoma




February 20 2002 at 19:47:17
Name: Jim Reid
Email: jimreid56@aol.com
Location: Dallas
Comments: I just watched the KTUL 1979 sign off tape. It brought back a lot of memories. In fact, I had to fight the urge to get up and start turning off all the equipment around me and head for home.




February 20 2002 at 19:15:43
Name: James S. Barr
Email: STDJSB25@shsu.edu
Location: Huntsville, Texas
Comments: Nice page. I do have some info on your "8's the Place" promo. The music in that promo is derived from ABC's 1976-1977 season network promo "Let Us Be the One"


Here is artist Monte Toon, who worked with Carl "Uncle Zeb" Bartholomew on many of the "8's The Place promos.





February 20 2002 at 14:19:28
Name: Erick
Email: ericktul@yahoo.com
Location: Tulsa
Comments: Here's a site about the evolution of the NBC logo.

http://www.nbc33.com/logos.htm




February 20 2002 at 01:49:29
Name: Frank Morrow
Email: frankmor@io.com
Location: Austin
Comments: I lived near Atlanta during the war (WWII, for all you youngsters), but I don't remember WSB having a distinctive station break. I wonder if this came after my two and 1/2 years there.

I guess the ringing of the WBAP cowbell is the only other special, radio station break phenomenon I can think of.


Lee Woodward has rung that WBAP cowbell (read near the bottom of the page). There are a number of mentions of WBAP on this site; try "WBAP" in the TTM Search Engine.

I just noticed the 50s NBC chimes design in this photo of George Gobel in the KVOO Photo Album.





February 19 2002 at 21:58:24
Name: Gary Thompson
Email: Gary@ShadoWingproductions.com
Location: Joplin, Mo.
Comments: Don Woods did our weather on Y97 KMMY Muskogee in the early nineties. KMMY is owned by Mike Stephens of Adonai Broadcasting; the group that owns KXOJ, Tulsa.




February 19 2002 at 20:12:17
Name: Lowell Burch
Email: J9Z1B95@aol.com
Location: ON AIR
Comments: I believe the KVOO NBC chimes are up in the Hale High School Library. They certainly have their own sound, so mellow. Makes me wonder what type of alloy was used to make them.


Lowell later found three pages on the NBC chimes: The NBC Chimes Machine, NBC Chimes, and The NBC Network Chimes...everything you conceivably might want to know...and you can hear them, too.





February 19 2002 at 16:49:44
Name: David Harlan
Email: d100harlan@cs.com
Location: St Louis, MO
Comments: I grew up in Fayetteville, Arkansas (graduated high school in '79), and have fond memories of KTUL TV 8 -- Mr. Zing, Uncle Zeb, "Hower, Woods, and Z" (as the promo went), Gusty (drawn by the only certified meteorologist in Tulsa), etc.

There was a promo with Don Woods, probably around 1966-70, in a diner. He was at a table as the owner went on and on in an Italian accent about "alla this good weather you bring us, Mr. Don-a Woods," and Woods is nodding and smiling politely. Next we hear thunder and see Don Woods lowering his umbrella with a sheepish look on his face. He's come into the same diner out of the rain. The owner says to him, "You got a reservation? I dunno if I got-a room-a for you. Maybe I can-a find you a table. Lemme see what I got. If I can-a squeeze you in here." He puts Woods into a chair, pushes it in tight to the table, and pours water into a glass on the table so that it splashes on Woods's hand. The voiceover comes on with something like, "Don Woods. At six and ten."

Does anyone else remember this, or was this a figment of my imagination? I also think of the "raft of movies, by George" promo whenever I hear "The In Crowd." Fun site!


I remember that Don Woods commercial like it was yesterday, after your description. In case you missed it, Uncle Zeb talks about the making of the "Raft of movies, by George" promo in the TTM Gift Shop.





February 19 2002 at 14:50:49
Name: Jim Ruddle
Email: gardel@erols.com
Location: Rye NY
Comments: The chimes, the chimes. I won a doorbell as a prize at an NBC party years ago, and installed it. You got it. The NBC chimes.

It reminded me, even at home, of my master. Of course, RCA, then the parent company, had Nipper, the dog, listening to his master's voice. I heard his bell.

My favorite logo was the "N" that NBC came up with, only to discover that the public broadcasters in Nebraska had already adopted the same symbol. Litigation threatened and the Peacock reappeared. As a result of this fiasco, just one of many perpetrated by the geniuses, stacks of "N" memo pads, letterheads, and personal business cards were there for the taking.

I still have some.




February 19 2002 at 08:17:15
Name: John Hillis
Location: Washington
Comments: The NBC chimes were indeed used as a visual logo on television well into the 50's. On my wall is a photo of Huntley and Brinkley at the 1956 political conventions, with the three chimes, each with a letter (N,B,and C) in white, with the mallet underlining the logo. Similar designs are glued on the RCA 77-DX microphones in front of Chet and David.

Courtesy of John Hillis

NBC Television began moving away from the chimes as a visual and audio id in the late 50's, first with the color tv peacock, and also with the NB over the C, animation that network hands called "the snake" because of its movement to form the logo.

A number of broadcasters claim to have used the chimes and been the inspiration for NBC's adopting them. One of them, in whose employ I once toiled, was WSB in Atlanta, which said they used the first three notes of "Over There," as an identifier. Old hands claimed that NBC transposed them to the G-E-C notes. I tend to doubt this, but guess it could be.

Obviously, the most elegant network logo is the CBS Eye, virtually unchanged since it was introduced 50 years ago. Maybe the best logo ever, anywhere.


From WTOP in Washington D.C. circa 1954, courtesy of John Hillis





February 19 2002 at 01:15:44
Name: Don Norton
Email: donaldhnorton@hotmail.com
Location: Tulsa
Comments: Kelly Raines seems to have been affected by the same kind of "tunnel vision" that marred Gene Allen's "Voices on the Wind." At least Raines used the call letters of KOTV which Allen did not, in "Oklahoma Music and the Broadcast Frontier," but only in connection with application filing. After Raines listed what seemed like every musical personality who ever appeared on Channel Four up to the 1940s, he undertook to ouline Bob Wills' escape from W. Lee "Pappy" O'Daniel--but he referred to long time KVOO manager William B. Way as W. B. Web.

The book would probably be interesting to someone who grew up in Oklahoma City--but I didn't.


Undeniably OKC-centric, but still enlightening for me, at least.





February 19 2002 at 01:01:53
Name: RICARDO
Email: Snakebird7@aol.com
Location: TUSSA, OF COURSE
Comments: Indeed, the three notes played on NBC (radio, first, of course, and later on TV) as a time signature at the top of the hour.....were G.....E.....C signifying the General Electric Corporation......owners of NBC.


Clever theory (like the one that HAL in "2001: A Space Odyssey" was named by taking the letters one ahead of IBM), but it is disputed in one of Lowell's links above.





February 18 2002 at 23:19:33
Name: Frank Morrow
Email: frankmor@io.com
Location: Austin
Comments: Didn't NBC carry over to TV for a while the three bongs that they used on network radio as the last thing heard before they turned over the air time for the local station break? This sound became instilled in American culture. The these three notes were used occasionally to represent broadcasting itself.

I remember that for many years the chimes were played rather slowly, about three seconds worth---not more than five---starting at five seconds before the local announcer was to begin his call letters. Later, just about the time TV started up, they started speeding up the notes, so that it took about half the time as the original notes.

I also have a vague recollection of KVOO having a set of chimes in the announcers' booth to be used when necessary.

Because I never worked at an NBC affiliate, and also never paid close attention to early TV, some of these observations might be inexact. Maybe someone else can provide more precise and accurate information.




February 18 2002 at 22:39:57
Name: Jim Reid
Email: jimreid56@aol.com
Location: Dallas
Comments: Wasn't there also a large grocery store in the Brook Plaza shopping center at 51st & Peoria? That makes 4 in one mile.




February 18 2002 at 10:42:00
Name: P. Casey Morgan
Email: p-casey-morgan@utulsa.edu
Location: KWGS/Public Radio 89.5 Tulsa
Comments: In response to Jim Reid's question in Guestbook 101, the grocery store at 49th and Peoria was the Jitney Jungle. I grew up a block or so away from that store and was seen riding my tricycle in the store (helped inside nicely by the automatic doors at the entrance) at the age of 3 or so, shoplifting a box of Frosted Flakes for my mother's birthday. My life of crime was cut short when my older sister, who had been frantically searching for me, found me in the store and made me return the cereal.

The store at 45th and Peoria (just north of the former Holmes Elementary, now Tulsa Ballet Theatre) was called RedBud. Both funny names for grocery stores, if you think about it. There was also the Safeway (now Homeland) at 41st and Peoria. Three major grocery stores within a mile of each other: people must have been hungrier then.....


Casey's latest "crime" is being chief author of this year's Tulsa Press Club Gridiron. This annual show is getting back to its politically incorrect roots under her guidance. See the web site: http://www.geocities.com/tulsagridiron.

More info solicited from Casey:

"We are most probably going to sell out our Thursday night show and if anyone wants tickets, either Novel Idea store is their best bet until they run out. $10 for the Thursday night show. $100 for the Friday night banquet show available by calling Gridiron Trust Chair DJ Morrow at 760-2349."

Your webmaster plans to be in attendance...if you should spot a 2 meter tall humanoid at the show, come up and say hi!





February 17 2002 at 23:31:49
Name: DICK ENBURGMORPHER (via email to webmaster)
Location: Tulsa
Comments: In response to Jim Ruddle's question in Guestbook 101:

Yes, Waylon did have a Tulsa connection. Rance Wasson used to play with Waylon back in the late seventies, maybe the very early eighties. Rance used to play a lot at the Nine of Cups; I can't remember his band's name, but he used to do a killer version of Silver Tongued Devil.




February 17 2002 at 21:59:47
Name: James
Email: jhmowasso@aol.com
Location: Owasso
Comments: Hello, I don't know if anyone ever mentioned this site, I was up late last night (okay this morning)and I found this neat webpage. It has promos from ABC, NBC and CBS from the past. Who could forget "NBC Proud as a Peacock"? It has both video and audio but some are just the audio. It also has local station jingles. One has a younger Oprah when she was unknown and well...I'm not going to say it, but thinner too. And it even has the "City of Tulsa" singing KJRH's "There's a feeling in the air that you can't get anywhere except in Tulsa." That's the only Tulsa one on there. Check it out, and maybe even send them other Tulsa TV memories like 8's The Place. Or the one with Don Woods falling from his horse. The site is http://www.80stvthemes.com/promos/. I thought it was worth a mention, thanks...


Thank you, James. I wish we had the footage of Don Woods falling off the horse; maybe some day. I'll check it out





February 17 2002 at 18:03:29
Name: Webmaster
Email: tulsatv@mail.com
Location: Tulsa
Comments: Archived Guestbook 101, in which...

Jitney Jungle, a grocery store chain seen in Tulsa in the 50s/early 60s, was just discussed, along with other businesses in the King and Sheridan area. We learned more about France Laux, a well-known baseball broadcaster of the 30s and 40s who started in Tulsa. Found an excellent online book entitled Oklahoma Music and The Broadcast Frontier by Kelly Raines.

We were reminded of Bo Velvet and the Desert Snakes by a new reader. She also gave us some background on the Dance Party dancers. Lee Woodward contributed a talent rate sheet from 1963.

Chris Kelly (aka Chris Shannon) remembered the transition from KAKC-AM to KCFO. In fact, he was the DJ who actually signed off KAKC for the last time, then signed the station back on as Inspiration Media's KCFO!

Speaking of sign-offs, you can see a couple of daily TV sign-offs of the past on the "8's The Place" page...another to come later today. Speaking of KAKC, Scooter B. Segraves is recovering nicely from bypass surgery...follow the link to see his Get Well card.

We also heard more about Miss Ronan of Central High, a teacher who inspired many radio/TV careers, and John Doremus, originally of Sapulpa, who became a nationally-heard radio announcer.

Read Guestbook 101 here. This is Guestbook 102.




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