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May 14 2004 at 11:29:13
Name: Bill McGhee (via email)
Comments: Our Scout troop is planning our 50th anniversary reunion,
and as part of our archives, we have found some pics of Gailard Sartain from
his time in Troop 26 in the mid-50s. Thought you might like to see them.
May 13 2004 at 17:41:18
Name: Si Hawk
Comments: Jim -
I must be showing signs of forgetfulness. Was Jack O'Brien Mayor? I know
he served as a Commissioner for years but didn't ever recall him being Mayor.
Do you recall what years he served? I know Maxwell was Mayor for years then
I recall Bob LaFortune getting elected. Oh well. If you don't recall the
years maybe I can locate the info elsewhere?
May 13 2004 at 11:43:02
Comments: Here are two late 2003 articles I found about
Beef Baloney. They are leaving the
air after this Saturday night and could really use your help to be able to
May 13 2004 at 09:21:10
Name: Kathy Schramm Rapp
Comments: Mike B., I loved your post about the CICADA INVASION! I
can't beleive how paranoid people are about it up in DC! I remember, as a
kid in Tulsa, every summer evening the soothing "buzz" of the cicadas in
the maple trees in my old neighborhood (off of 61st St. near the hospital).
Those things were everywhere, much like the ever-present June bug. It will
be interesting to see the unfolding of the "invasion" and the peoples' reaction
to it up there!
May 13 2004 at 07:24:02
Name: Mike (I like my bugs friendly) Bruchas
Location: You say cicaida, I say Secada - duh locust....
Comments: In the DC area - some of the media almost warns ya to lock
up your Volvo, big red dawg and children in FEAR of ***THE CICADA INVASION***!
I have not seen such balderdash in a long time. There is a Cicada Phobia
here with shrinks talking about them on radio! What is this country coming
to? Heck - most places in DC they haven't even come out yet!
People are scared they will creep inside theirs Beemers and Benz SUV's here
and clog up the engines or eat their fan belts while screaming down the Beltway
at 85mph in a 65moh zone! Oh, the horror!
We are having a rush on netting to cover trees with (the factory ran out
of net) and now a rush on cheese cloth.... (ya know cheese cloth does NOT
taste good with ham on rye...)...Gov. Ehrlich of MD has named them a state
insect as someone noted their bodies contain all the colors of the MD state
Its like we expect them red-eyed devils to march across the country gulping
down trees. Yes, they can be noisy if you sleep with your windows open -
but to me they are a comforting loud sound. And a comforting reassurance
of the continuity of life.
I can remember so many times in my 53+ years of where I was - when they came
previously. My late, great surrogate next door neighbor grannie - Mrs. Baron
- first assured me as a semi-toddler that it was okay to play with them and
that they would not bite me. They and lightning bugs in a Mason jar with
a perforated lid, were some of my first "captures". I remember being as sad
when they died - as with the series of Woolworth's purchased canaries and
parakeets that paraded thru my kiddie years.
So I say, WELCOME! I hope to be around when they come again!
May 13 2004 at 00:39:23
Name: Lowell Burch
Comments: Speaking of Froggy Burnett, I have some old footage of him
singing at Lakeview Amusement Park. My dad took it at night so it is pretty
dark but I will try to get it on the internet sometime this summer.
I think I mentioned once before that part of the lodge out at the old Skyline
was made out of the big rollercoaster, which was the world's longest at one
time. Scared me to death, that is for sure. I have a short section of railroad
track from the old park. It is nice to have a little souvenir.
May 12 2004 at 17:04:36
Name: Carl Gergory
Comments: I was reading about the amusement park comments - Skyline
was owned by F. H. "Red" Cox and operated during the 50's and 60's until
it was brought by Farris Saffa in '69 when it became Indian Nations Park.
I remember going with my parents to some American Airlines picnics at the
park. It had a really good roller coaster as I remember.
Tulsa has had many parks including Orcutt (Swan Lake), Electric Amusement
Park, Crystal City, Lakeview,
Bell's and others. However, does anyone remember
the old Golf Patch, a small amusement park and driving range located at 41st
and Peoria about where the shopping center with the Wild Oats market is now?
Good memories of some of these during the 50's.
Jack Frank has some film of that 41st and Peoria golf course on one of
his Tulsa Memories videos, "Stuff That's Gone", I believe, available at
Sundry. A little more about the other parks at the
Society site (a link given earlier in this Guestbook).
Here is a postcard of Orcutt Park from 1910.
May 11 2004 at 20:55:07
Location: Hidin' behind the cactus, eavesdroppin'
Comments: Pat Brady just said that "Take Me Back To Oklahoma" was
a Monogram Western, not a Republic film, and since I need a ride home in
Nellybelle, I'll have to agree with him, gol-dangit.
May 11 2004 at 15:48:36
Name: John "Gabby" Hillis
Location: Out by the corral, dagnabbit!
Comments: Alas, the western channel doesn't have my favorite Republic
B pic scheduled in the next month, "Take Me Back to Oklahoma" starring Bob
Wills and the Texas Playboys.
As an actor, Bob was a mean fiddler, if you know what I mean.
I also think KOTV's Wayne Johnson is playing the sax on horseback in that
pic, though the print I saw years ago was so bad, it was hard to tell.
May 11 2004 at 11:41:57
Comments: Not sure if the webmaster has mentioned this, but Beef Baloney's
last new episode will air this Saturday night at midnight on Fox 23.
The show is extremely funny and locally produced, it will be sad to see it
go. Unfortunately, the young guys who make it have done so almost entirely
with their own money, and with very little advertising. They're accepting
donations at www.beefbaloney.com,
I hope that enough people feel strongly enough about local TV to give what
Thanks, Erick, I have mentioned this on the Bulletin Board and the
Beef Baloney page. As you say, they are very funny
and deserve all the help we can give them.
May 11 2004 at 11:20:42
Location: Back at the ranch
Comments: I stumbled across the 1937 Gene Autry movie, "Rootin'
Tootin' Rhythm", on the Starz Westerns channel (Cox 152) last night. I got
to see Al Clauser (Uncle Zeke) as a young man
singing a cowboy tune with his group, the Oklahoma Outlaws.
Co-star was a young
Burnette, who, much later, was the engineer of the Hooterville Cannonball
on "Petticoat Junction". Smiley played a mean accordian in the movie.
May 10 2004 at 18:52:05
Comments: Skyline Park is now an upscale housing development named
FIVE OAKS RANCH. It features a ski-lodge type building that serves as a
recreation and events center. A large deck overlooks a beautiful lake.
And when a worker there told me that lake was part of the old Skyline Amusement
Park I was stunned. He pointed to where the roller coaster used to be and
then I could picture the old park. There's a small building there - kind
of rickety now - that was once a concession stand.
If you go east on 121st off the Beeline you'll see the entrance (a small
stone pillar) on the south side...like between Elwood and Elm(?)...not the
way we used to go to the park.
Skyline Lake is about 3 miles south of the Jones Airport on Elm (which
is Peoria on the west side of the river), then about a 1/2 mile east on 121st
The lake had a sandy bottom when I was there in the early 60s, great for
swimming. It's now a fishing lake. The
Five Oaks Ranch site has a photo
tour of the lodge on the lake.
May 10 2004 at 16:40:56
Name: Jim Ruddle
Location: Rye, NY
Comments: My parents bought a forty-acre property southwest of Sand
Springs, in 1946. We moved there in '47. At that time, we had a wall-mounted,
hand-crank telephone out of Sand Springs. Our ring, as I recall, was "2."
We had a number, but the ring indicated which party was to answer. To place
a call, we had to turn the crank and wait for an operator to come on the
In the spring of 1950, I hitchhiked to Pittsburg, KS, to apply for a job
at KSEK (The Keystone of Southeast Kansas) a 250-watt daytimer. My contact
for the job was a guy who attended TU and who was working that summer at
KOMA, in Pittsburg. His name was Hal Hamilton and his family resided in a
wide spot in the road, named Weir, Kansas, which may or may not still be
on your Rand McNally.
I was supposed to call his home when I arrived in the environs, but I didn't
have a phone number. I knew that Weir was small and I chanced calling the
She was very nice and asked what party I was calling. Hal's father was, let's
say Len or Leon--I can't remember--and so I requested his number.
"Did you want Len, Junior, or Len, Senior?"
"I'll try Junior."
"That's 2," she said.
"Go on," I urged.
"That's it. 2."
"Just for my information. What's Len, Senior's number?"
"That would be 1," she replied.
By the way: I got the job.
May 10 2004 at 15:50:57
Name: Lowell Burch
Location: In transition.
Comments: I have some really old footage (1950's) of Skyline and Lakeview.
I had promised these for viewing to Frank (Oklahoma Memories) but logistics
beyond my control prevented me from doing so until now. I do have these very
short segments transferred from 8mm to digital, along with a lot of other
vintage Tulsa footage that my dad took when we were growing up (also known
as homemovies). I will see if I can download some of it and get it up for
people to see. Some of it is not bad.
I was just by the Blue Whale and it looks pretty spiffy. In fact, it looked
like some folks were utilizing it for an outing.
I haven't seen Skyline since the early 60s, so I'll be looking forward
to seeing your footage.
May 10 2004 at 14:45:14
Name: John Hillis
Location: Sneezy in Fairfax, Virginia
Comments: The two-letter shorthand (LUther 2-9233 was KOTV's number
back in the day) represented the central office where the line from your
house terminated at the switch. The telephone company hereabouts, which has
changed its name from Chesapeake & Potomac (which, as it is said about
the King James Bible, was the way God dictated it), to Bell Atlantic, to
Verizon, still uses the two letter designations in its routing of things
like fiber between COs.
Oftentimes, the exchange words were tied to neighborhoods or landmarks (just
about everywhere had a CEntral, for example), but dial telephones meant sometimes
the exchanges were just words with the first two letters to fit the numbers.
Finally, even more numbers mean the switch to seven-numbers. Now, here, we
have to dial 10 digits for a local call.
I can still remember two of my growing-up phone numbers--JAckson 7-7530 and
VErnon 4-8988, which became 834-8988. I'm also old enough to remember being
told, if a kid was scared and in a pinch, like home alone in a thunderstorm,
dialing 0 would get you a real live operator who'd talk to you till you calmed
Then there's the Post Office and Zip Codes, which is a whole nother story.
My uncle once posted a letter addressed as follows: "Uncle Slick and Aunt
Ethel, Iola, Kansas," which got delivered just fine in three days.
In fact, weren't the exchanges designated by the two letters plus the
first number, e.g., LUther 2 or
May 10 2004 at 14:29:00
Name: Dave Harmon
Location: Where the 405 & 110 Collide
Comments: David....I remember going to Skyline in '59 for a hayride.
Go here for the story.
The Blue Whale was still in Catoosa as of a couple of years ago.
May 10 2004 at 14:05:54
Location: Goldsboro, NC
Comments: Does anyone recall the name of, or have any photos of the
recreation, swimming & amusement park south of Jenks, was it called
"Skyline".... also any good memories from the "Blue Whale" near Catoosa,
that was when fun was fun...
May 09 2004 at 09:50:56
Name: Jim Ruddle
Location: Rye, NY
Comments: A couple of things:
Neither Steve Powell nor Chris Lane. Who? Can't tell you.
A short time ago, somebody wrote of early pizza efforts in Tulsa. As I recall,
the first attempt was by a group that included later Tulsa mayor Jack O'Brien,
in 1954. Guys coming back from Korean-era service had encountered pizzas
in various places and thought they would sell in Tulsa.
In 1954 they didn't.
Jim played the part of Zeta, on Satellite Six at
KOTV in the 50s, and like Paul Harvey, is a product of
Miss Ronan's speech class at Central High.
May 09 2004 at 00:20:13
Name: Lowell Burch
Location: Riding down that long, lonesome highway...
Comments: I just saw that a Bronson Harley Sportster MPC model kit
sold on eBay for $258.00. Did you bid on that, Mike?
Too rich for my blood, but I did pick up a nice image of a
Bronson lobby card for $0.00.
May 08 2004 at 09:35:23
Location: Fillmore Exchange
Comments: My number on the northside was FI 5-9774 (Fillmore) and
I think there was a Cherry exchange (CH) over on Cherry Street but I could
be wrong. I know that we used letters well into the seventies.
May 08 2004 at 06:57:13
Name: Karl M
Location: The Allergen Fields of Indiana
Comments: I remember the old TV and radio commercials for Tulsa Little
Theater from the early 60's. The phone number for their ticket office was
"WEbster 6-6666". That got me to thinking...
Does anyone remember all of the old word-based telephone prefixes for Tulsa?
I remember RIverside, WEbster, TEmple, LUther, and (maybe) NAtional. Any
And how long has it been since you had a big ole steamin' bowl of Wolf Brand
Chili? Well, that's too long...
Also GEneral and HIckory...wasn't Owasso CRestview? Was there an AMherst,
or am I going off the deep end? For younger readers, these were mnemonics
for the first 2 digits of a phone number, e.g., instead of 437-2740, it was
Tulsa phone numbers had been 5 digits, so when larger numbers became necessary
(in the 50s?), there may have been concern about
how people would remember such a monstrous number. Of course, the phone system
eventually outgrew the restrictions of the letter-based exchanges.
I found more about Tulsa exchanges in this item at
which links back to an archived TTM Guestbook on a related Tulsa history
topic: the notorious RIDESHY.
May 07 2004 at 16:30:21
Name: Patrick Bryant
Location: Burbank, California
Comments: Kinda looks like Steve Powell, OKC's "Foreman Scotty".
Hmmm, here's a photo of Steve Powell in
Tulsa around that time (I believe). The host pictured below looks older
and different to me.
May 07 2004 at 14:04:42
Name: Patricia Elsass
Comments: The Tulsa Library found your webpage for me, and sent me
the information to find the webpage. I've not thoroughly gone through your
webpage, yet, but was wondering if you might be able to identify the gentleman
in this pic:
Click to see complete photo
Our Brownie troop was on this KOTV 6 TV show when we were in the 2nd or 3rd
grade. We are talking way back in the early 1950's (1951-53). Sadly, no one
wrote the names of the girls nor the name of the show on the back of this
picture, and now we are hoping you might know something of the very early
1950's shows. KOTV does not know who he is! I've contacted them, and asked
them if they might be able to identify the gentleman M.C. and the show, and
Hopefully you can be of help to us, our alumni group, in trying to name all
of the girls in the group, and we'd love to be able to identify the show
and the M.C. you see in the pic. I do appreciate any help you might be able
to give us...thank you so much!
The girls in this photo are of the Class of 1962, of Will Rogers & Central
High Schools. The Brownie Troop was from Kendall Elementary School.
Could it be Bob Latting from the Kids
Karnival, or Chris Lane? Can anyone identify
the host or any of the girls?
Later note from Lorna Alexander (Chris Lane Alexander's widow):
"It does NOT appear to be Chris. It is not his hairline, for one thing."
Dave Harmon ( K6XYZ[at]comcast[dot]net) said:
"I am 98% certain that starting from the right..
"2 Nancy Hawkins, 3 Judy Day, 4 Jonelle English, 6 Catherine (Kitty) Holloway.
"These 4 girls are for sure CHS 61', not 62'.
"There are 3 more girls that I recognize but I am only about 50% sure of
their names. I'll take a look at some personal stuff I have and try to name
them as well."
May 06 2004 at 14:33:48
Name: David Bagsby
Location: Lawrence KS
Comments: I also recall the Sheridan Lanes roof collapse and thinking
it odd they opened again so quickly. Never went there though, played all
my pinball at Rose Bowl.
The old neon Sheridan Lanes sign is still there, but now on the north
side of the building. It depicts a fellow unleashing a strike in about 4
May 06 2004 at 01:04:31
Name: David Worrell
Location: Where the 14 meets the 5
Comments: My friends and I hung out a lot at Sheridan Lanes bowling
alley (31st & Sheridan), mostly to play pinball. And I'm remembering
a time when the Sheridan Lanes bowling alley roof collapsed after a big snow
storm. I think it would have been mid-70's. The strange thing I recall is
how it seems like they had the place open again only a day or two after that
roof collapsed, before it was even fixed. I remember going there when it
was still snowy and cold and they had a big canvas hanging up in the place,
and only a small part of the building open for business. We went there anyway,
to play pinball as usual. Does anyone remember that, or have any pictures
or articles about it?
May 05 2004 at 20:04:02
Location: Over here...
Comments: I'm another (former) East Tulsa tornado bug (I suspect there's
a whole generation of us out here...)
Seems to me that Civil Defense has no choice but to sound the sirens when
the NWS says warning. I know I'd rather know there's a Doppler indicated
rotating storm and hear the sirens than find out there's a tornado under
there when the house down the road disappears.
(Been there, done that..In June of '74 there were no sirens in our part of
East Tulsa. By Dec. '75 we had sirens, thankfully. Here's a link to the June
8, 74 storm from the NWS, if anybody is interested...
I was listening to KRMG whan those storms came through. I thought they handled
it really well. Tulsa seems to have a really good warning system set up now,
and I know those Whelens don't come cheap. Here in Memphis we have a veritable
May 05 2004 at 15:11:56
Comments: Since it's been a few weeks since I've checked in, I'd like
to touch on an item mentioned in the previous
guestbook -- tornado sirens.
I can understand that people become frustrated when the sirens are sounded
and no tornado occurs near them. However, on each of the three nights that
sirens sounded in Tulsa, confirmed tornado touchdowns prompted two of the
warnings, and a tornado detected by radar prompted the other. I will agree
that it was questionable for TCEMA to sound the sirens in central and north
Tulsa for a storm that was over southeast Tulsa moving east. Having worked
with TCEMA in the past as a weather spotter, I know for a fact that they
have the ability to sound sirens for a specific area of town. However, as
Mike McCool mentioned, they're prompted automatically by the NWS for whatever
part of the county the warning is issued for.
And to the poster who said the sirens were scaring elderly people...maybe
they should! They should scare all of us into taking shelter.
Severe weather coverage is such a touchy issue. If it's not affecting a certain
person's area, they gripe about the fact that there's too much coverage.
But they're also quick to complain that there isn't enough coverage when
the stuff is hitting the fan in their neighborhood. I would rather have to
see too much of Travis, Jim, Dan and Jon and know that I'll have the information
than to be surprised by a storm.
May 05 2004 at 13:14:11
Comments: Quick notes from today's Tulsa World:
"Martha Stewart Living" (9 am, Channel
8) featured the Gilcrease Museum's Kravis Discovery Center today. If you
missed it like I did, maybe the news will show some excerpts this evening.
Also, Tulsa World writer Ashley Parrish has uncovered the actual recipe
for Pennington's Black Bottom Pie. I'll see if I can reprint the article.
May 05 2004 at 11:44:08
Name: Jim Ruddle
Location: Rye, NY
Comments: If you would like an objective evaluation of the Borgward
auto, ask Noel Confer who bought one in the late fifties and has probably
never recovered from the experience.
May 04 2004 at 23:07:40
Location: In the crossfire
Comments: The readership here is exceptionally intelligent, and
such folk often have strong political views one way or another. But if you
have visited many forums, you will know that once discussion gets into pure
partisan politics, there is little stopping a "flame" war.
Here is the Guestbook "policy" I wrote in
Guestbook 89, some 3 years ago. The gist
of it is that politics and religion are polarizing topics not often relevant
to this site.
Please let's not go down the road of left vs. right or Democrat vs. Republican
here. Every Tulsan owns the memories on this site, and I would hate for them
to become polluted with bad feeling.
That is not to say that politics/media-related issues do not merit discussion;
they certainly do. I'll be looking for some sites with intelligent discussion
of them and pass along the links.
5/19: Here is a site I believe is worthy of your attention:
Spinsanity.org. This site dissects
the manipulative rhetoric issuing from both sides of the political
The NOW with
Bill Moyers site has many informative links dealing with media consolidation
and a message board open to all comers. Strong statements abound on the
May 03 2004 at 14:39:18
Location: Goldsboro, NC
Comments: Thinking back... anyone recall the call letters or freq.
of the radio station in the circular building in the middle of the Tulsa
mid-way...(KELi...webmaster) also I recall
KAKC producing a 33 LP of favorite songs per year,
neat...(see it here...webmaster) OH, the
days of market saturation...
May 02 2004 at 15:01:09
Name: Mike (sneezy) Bruchas
Location: Back on a car tangent here
Comments: Had mentioned long-time KTUL/OETA engineer Jack Maynard's
"screaming yellow" painted Borgward here before. Had never seen one before
but now I see them all over in 1950's vintage b&w European movies. Always
meant to ask Jack how he found one used in Tulsey....go to Google and hunt
BORGWARD to read more about this small car maker...it was named after a guy
named Borgward - no not a swedish or Harry Potteresque critter....
May 02 2004 at 11:34:13
Comments: Archived Guestbook 161, where
we just got a close-up look at Mr. Zing's zookeeper hat, courtesy of Jim
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