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| Tuesday 11/20/2007 2:31:33pm
|3rd phone/Radio skips
|I can't find mine any more; had
it in a frame. Several friends who got one thru a study academy in OKC never
needed them after all! If you have any "tickets" signed by FCC Engineer EJ
Gahlens of long ago, he was a childhood friend of my late Dad and Aunt in
I enjoyed listening to KNBR from SFO when I lived in Amarillo late night
and sometimes got KRMG and KVOO on Sunday nights....the old WHAM jazz radio
outta NY like Buffalo(?) was a fave in Chicago 40 years ago - AM jazz!
| Tuesday 11/20/2007 2:35:44am
|I know that if the TV truck working
at East Side Stadium (not far from the towers) gets the interference, one
cuts the ground and it's clear. No 1st class here, but maybe ground waves?
| Monday 11/19/2007 11:02:39pm
|All I know is, KVOO was the ONLY
interference we encountered. A few people I knew, myself included, occasionally
heard it over our telephones. The frustration of playing a really good set,
never to by played that way again, and then hearing some scalded prairie
dog wailing over the tracks was a real pisser. KVOO had the highest wattage
in the area and therefore was the culprit. The recorder was solid-state,
the amp was tube and the phones were direct connections. There were too many
different devices effected for the problem to just be unbalanced inputs.
I'm not an electronics engineer but I do how electronic jamming works, intended
In the 1980s, the U.S.S. Missouri was coming into San Diego harbor. Garage
doors all over the city began going up and down, sticking and generally goofing
up. The culprit turned out to be the Missouri's main radio. It was so powerful
that it over-rided the automatic garage door openers.
| Monday 11/19/2007 7:39:27pm
|First Phone Follies
|dloftin1 at cox dot net
|All this talk about First Phones
reminds me of the exam I took in Dallas to get mine. I was working at my
hometown station, KOKL in Okmulgee, and the owner, Bob Brewer (I learned
everything about what a radio station is SUPPOSED TO BE from Bob--who still
operates the station) wanted me to get one to sign transmitter and operations
logs--Yep, in those days, the operator on duty actually had to be responsible
for something. I had my 3rd, and went to Elkins in Oklahoma City for classes
to get my First. BUT you naturally had to get a 2nd Phone. To this day, the
absolutely hardest test I ever took. The only one that compares is the real
estate appraisal exam. I then took my First exam and the license is still
framed and in my office.
There would be a better appreciation and understanding of radio as a business
and responsibility if there were still exams to get licenses to be a broadcaster.
I maintain if there were exams for a better understanding of what broadcasting
and the FCC is, we would have a better radio product.
How many of you remember Element 9 on the 3rd phone exam?
| Monday 11/19/2007 3:53:22pm
|No offense intended.....
|Bob, no offense intended. I just
didn't want non-engineering types to get the impression that KVOO was
transmitting with a spark-coil or some other Marconi-esque transmitter, just
to annoy Tulsa residents.
By the way, does anyone even care about those of us with first-phones these
days? The FCC forgot about us long ago, it seems....
| Monday 11/19/2007 3:29:23pm
Boy, after 35 years with a "First Phone" I'm glad someone finally straightened
me out on that one!
| Monday 11/19/2007 1:41:13pm
|All of those incidents of receiving
KVOO on various devices really has nothing to do with the station. It's just
all about RF and the un-balanced inputs found on consumer and music equipment,
combined with numerous grounding issues. It's "electronics 101".....
| Monday 11/19/2007 1:38:45pm
|KVOO TOWER POWER
|bob reavis at yahoo dot com
|Rick & John
On a sunny Sunday afternoon in May of 1979, a bored out of his skull Navy
Petty Officer was working on his ship's transmitter. He was on a carrier
anchored somewhere in Tokyo Bay. While he was tuning the ship's station monitor
he happened across some country music. To his great surprise it was Big Country
AM 1170 KVOO. I know this because he taped three hours of my show and mailed
a scoped down version of it on reel to our then engineer, Don Bahnmeir. I
was truly amazed. I knew we were a powerhouse, but Tokyo?
I later learned that, during the cold war, KVOO's signal was jammed by the
East Germans and other Soviet occupied countries.
Everytime I read a story about KVOO it reminds me of another 'believe it
or not' memory of that wonderful time in my career.
| Sunday 11/18/2007 4:58:58pm
|John reminded me of a couple
of other times KVOO's power and frequency took over. Long before I had a
PC, I had a Sony tape recorder that I would set in the living room near my
piano while working on a song. I would make a recording and, upon playing
it back, would hear some C&W tune over my piano playing. I wore head
phones and the radio NEVER came through while I was recording, even though
it got recorded. That got old really fast and I couldn't do anything about
it. I mean, I couldn't move a 600lb piano!
The other problem was at a friend's house near 15th & Delaware. I had
a Fender tube amp at the time and it would sometimes start playing KVOO when
we were trying to play. It only did it in the one room we were set up in.
Sometimes if I turned the electrical plug around it would stop. Sometimes
it wouldn't. Our general complaint was that KVOO had way too much power.
| Saturday 11/17/2007 7:02:00pm
|East Tulsa/KVOO on the Phone
|I lived in Rose Dew (the addition
at 161st E Ave & Admiral) for the first 23 years of my life (minus college)
and I remember that vividly. I used to remember my computer speakers picking
up KVOO all the time. I checked with the manufacturer of speakers and said
basically nothing could be done.
I had a similar deal happen when I was living in Grand Junction, CO. There
was a tower for a Hispanic radio station next door to the apartment complex
I was living in...and all I could pick up was Spanish music.
| Friday 11/16/2007 7:50:47pm
|The KVOO thing brought back a
I had a girlfriend years ago who told me that when she lived in Germany (she
was married to a GI at that time) that KVOO was the only English-language
station she could pick up on her radio (apparently the BBC and VOA were on
She didn't really give a squat about country music, but it was from home
and that made a big difference. AM bounces a long way.
| Friday 11/16/2007 4:03:03pm
| Big Bob O Shea
|dloftin1 at cox dot net
|Well, the soup lines have been
kinda rough. HA!
God Bless ya, ya ol' dog!
| Friday 11/16/2007 12:13:34am
|bob reavis at yohoo dot com
You poor wretch. Clearly the booze, bitterness and soup lines have taken
a terrible toll.
The FCC jumped into bed one night with the publicly-held radio conglomerates
and woke up without a soul. They no longer care about the heart and soul
of a once-thriving, talent-driven industry.
However right you are, and you are right, even if the FCC grew a new set
of fangs it could never breathe life back into the cadaver of a long-dead
Late at night, when all is quiet, with the right set of earphones you can
hear the screams and handmuffled sobs from the crew who used to stand watch
from the guard towers.
| Friday 11/16/2007 9:03:06am
|dloftin1 at cox dot net
|I remember listening to KXXO,
but never got the chance to work for them or KCNW. KXXO was a great station
to listen to. I remember hearing Glenda Silvey interviewing Susan Bunn. Glenda
is one of Tulsa's media treasures and I worked with Susan at KWEN in the
late 70s when it was owned by Ron Curtis (now THAT's a story!).
It is interesting to note how great radio in Tulsa used to be. All the AMs
were perking along, FM was adding a new dimension, and things were really
exciting. I doubt radio will be that good again. Personally, given how automation
and voice-tracking has taken over the localization and feel of radio, I hope
the FCC will recognize the true need, especially in these times, of having
someone "in studio" at all times, 24 hours. It would be good for the business.
Radio consolidation/voice-tracking has done nothing for the industry but
wipe out a lot of jobs for good broadcasters. One Sunday afternoon I came
to work to get ready for a remote. There was absolutely no one in the
building--no one. This is not a good thing. Maybe someday the FCC will see
what a risk this is. But, as the great Tommy Duncan used to sing (on KVOO)...
Time Changes Everything.
| Thursday 11/15/2007 11:48:29pm
|Home Sweet Oklahoma
|I was driving to downtown Sacramento
mid-morning yesterday. I had on my favorite frequency: 89.5, even though
I can't get KWGS on this side of the Sierra Nevada. On the air were Che Greenwood
and another gentlemen (whose name escapes me now) holding forth for at least
an hour playing music written and/or sung by Oklahomans. Che knows quite
a bit about Woody, Mason Williams, Roger Miller, Sheb Wooley, Hank Thompson,
Johnny Lee and Bob, 'newcomer' Leon Russell and other folks from or who made
themselves famous in the Sooner state.
I heard music from these guys, as well as other songs about Oklahoma, and
especially Tulsa and, even Cain's, the neon sign for which I could see from
my northern view at Center Plaza when I was fighting the good fight at KWGS
in the mid 70s.
I found listening that Che used to live in Hogshooter, OK. It's not very
far from Tulsey Town. I shook Che's hand for the first time at the Leon Russell
Concert in Nevada City, CA when "Leo" was up there for two nights in September.
(You'll find some comments by me on that subject
here in the cyber magic posted by our venerable
Web Maestro, Mr. Ransom.)
I was so homesick when I got to where I was going in downtown Sac, I called
KVMR on my cell phone and got the gentlemen whose name I can't recall. We
had a chat.
Tulsa seems to be the signifcant place in Soonerland, outside the state,
and I'm glad, 'cause I've always carried a soft spot in my ribs for that
lovely city on the Arkansas. In fact, I'm coming back for Christmas and will
spend some time with my old radio mentor, Mr. Bob Gregory and his family,
as well as my older daughter, Kris. I'm excited.
And any Tulsan would have been excited to hear this very good show on KVMR
Wednesday last, chock full of good old Okie music. I especially enjoyed a
group doing "Take Me Back To...you know where" as well as Mr. Thompson and
his Band doing what they did so damned well. "Oklahoma Hills Where I Was
Born". Loved it. Nobody else has
a voice like Hank's. May he rest in peace.
KVMR, as Mr. Ransom has posted elsewhere here, is at
KVMR.org. I'll be doing a record show there
the Sunday evening before I spread some wings on a---golly---nonstop from
Sacramento to Tulsa. I won't know how to act without changing planes by the
time I usually would get to Phoenix.
Which reminds me: a local music booker friend of mine in Sac is working on
getting Jimmy Webb here. I've already made my reservation, even though the
concert isn't scheduled yet. Oh, yes, "All The Sweet Green Icing's Melting
Yahoo.....dot.....calm, Delmeaux de Gillette du Coffeyville.
| Thursday 11/15/2007 11:04:35pm
|this very thingy
|Do ya'll think we should send
the web master of this here site a buck or somethin'?...not tryin' to be
rude, but let us think about it....poor soul...
| Thursday 11/15/2007 10:22:27pm
|The Voice of Oklahoma
|The phenomenon of signal skip
has often led to some weird incidents. The idea of hearing KVOO in the Pacific
is not surprising. I recall, as a Coast Guard radio operator on a cutter
somewhere between Iceland and Greenland, hearing a "Mayday" from a fishing
boat in trouble. I responded and asked the boat's position. Turns out he
was in the Gulf of Mexico, off the Louisiana coast. There was also a taxicab
company in Memphis that I listened to regularly--that was really strange.
But, on the East Coast, the 1170 frequency was dominated by WWVA, Wheeling
West Virginia, and I was never able to hear KVOO.
This has nothing to do with Tulsa, but it sort of fits:
Another Coast Guard ship, in South Carolina waters, picked up a distress
call and asked person making the call to give his position.
"I'm vice president of Signet Bank" came the response.
Don Norton also noted in GB 97 that KVOO
was heard in the Pacific.
| Thursday 11/15/2007 1:58:00pm
|One of my KVOO memories was living
in East Tulsa and how most of the people in that area who had a land line
phone were able to pick up KVOO in the background with the dial tone. The
closer to those massive towers the less dial tone and the more Billy Parker
you would get.
My father also told me that when he was in the Korean War, The ship's radio
operator at night was able to pick up KVOO all the way in the far Pacific.
He said that KVOO was able to keep those boys feeling a little more close
| Thursday 11/15/2007 11:42:10am
|The Greek GroupBlog has been too darned slow, so let's
use this one for awhile. I'll look for a more ideal one in the
Saturday @ Circle Cinema: "Bill Boyce - Money Actor", a 30-min doc (produced
and written by John Wooley) about actor Bill Boyce of Tulsa. Meet Bill, then
watch his "The Slime People". Nov. 17, 9 pm.
November 15 2007 at 02:04:25
Comments: Journal Broadcasting lost their chance with me when they
came into town and dumped KVOO AM for hate radio. The only time I would even
let my dial roam around their frequencies was when the Sunday night shows
were on. Whether you enjoy country music or not, KVOO was one of the things
that made Tulsa great.
When the Gaylords were thinking about changing another legend WSM, Nashville
threw a fit and they soon backed off. I hate to say it, but I wish the Gaylords
had bought KVOO. At least we might not have lost it.
November 14 2007 at 22:13:04
Name: Rick Brashear
Topic: ORU wattage
Comments: Why would anyone want ORU to have more than one watt of
broadcast power? One watt would be too much.
I remember when there was a screw-up in the cable TV service years ago. Some
people were watching Oral Roberts and suddenly he was replaced by The Playboy
Channel for several minutes. Hot, steamy git-it-on! Apparently the Roberts
viewers were not amused. They remembered how their kids came to be and it
scared them to think they had ever acted that way. They immediately sent
checks to Oral so he could make them right again. "Place your hands on the
November 14 2007 at 19:53:44
Name: Grumpy Old Man
Comments: Now we know why there was so much echo when they said the
call letters...cause the whole dang place was empty and the last one out
turned off the lights.
Find me that WBAP Cowbell....More Cowbell!
November 14 2007 at 11:57:25
Name: Bob O'Shea
Topic: Chuck Adams
Email: bobreavis at yahoo dot com
Comments: Hey Chuck- Radio in the 70s indeed!
Chuck, I don't believe I ever thanked you for giving me my first really big
break full time job in Tulsa Radio on KXXO-1300. I remember you telling me
how you hated my audition tape but loved my resume. I will never forget your
wit, your smooth as glass on and off air professionalism and how kind you
were to a green as a gourd young nephew of Dan O'Shea.
You will never know how much you influenced my career or really how well
it all turned out for me. I cherish the memory of working with Tulsa's legendary
Chick Adler, er, I mean Chuck Adams.
November 14 2007 at 10:20:38
Topic: 70s Radio
Email: chuckadams at insightbb dot com
Comments: Howdy from Kentucky!
Been awhile since I "blogged", but reviewing GuestBlog 255 reminded me of
a couple of things.
1. I remember when KVOO-AM switched their format to country. I was PD at
little ole KCNW, which had a lock on the country
fans in Tulsa at the time. But when "Big Country"
signed on, they blew us outta the water. Sorry to see KVOO go away.
2. The KXXO logo in the same guestblog reminded
me of how it was dreamed up. KCNW switched format after the KVOO thing, and
went to "chicken rock'. Seeking a change in call letters, the temporary station
manager (a genius in his own mind) spied a billboard for Exxon Oil and the
rest is history.
That's it for now from this old-timer, y'all take care up there in Tulsa...I
still love your town!
Great to hear from you, Chuck.
November 14 2007 at 07:28:50
Name: Dick Loftin
Email: dloftin1 at cox dot net
Comments: There is an editorial on the Opinion page of today's (Nov
14) paper regarding KVOO - called "Signed Off."
November 13 2007 at 20:38:09
Name: Gary Thompson
Topic: ORU Memories
Comments: I attended ORU in the 90's. I was a theater major but hated
every minute of it. I wasn't taking any radio classes. But had such an interest
in broadcasting that the student PD invited me to do a show three times a
week on the 1.5 stick that was on for 6 hours a day.
As I understand it, 103.9 KORU (or whatever it was) was actually a high-powered
signal in Tulsa at some point. Why was it lowered to only a watt? Didn't
some student get on in the late 70's and say something against Oral?
November 13 2007 at 17:58:27
Name: Dave Bartlett
Comments: Only a couple of memories with ORU. I remember playing trumpet
with a group the evening of the dedication of the new campus. While waiting
for the ceremonies to begin, a couple of us lit up a cigarette and were promptly
ask to either put them out or leave the campus. The gig paid pretty well,
so we put 'em out.
I also remember being at Edison with Ronnie Roberts and he also attended
First Presbyterian Church in our youth group which seemed a bit odd. My guess
is that he had some problems with his recognition around his peers at that
point in his life. Not a happy ending for him. He was, as I remember, a very
November 13 2007 at 17:53:44
From last Sunday's Tulsa World, by Jennifer Chancellor; an interview with
John Wooley as well as John Cooper and Brad Piccolo of the Red Dirt Rangers:
the signal; KVOO pulls the plug on all locally produced programming.
November 13 2007 at 15:07:00
Name: Mike Bruchas
Topic: Ben Aronov
Comments: If it hadn't been for Jim Ruddle's posting last year on
Mr. Aronov, I wouldn't have discovered him.
CD is the most played on my iPod.
Talked to Matt Bunyan of Starship last night. They are hangin' in fine. Please
buy your music locally whenever you can! I aim to buy a an ungawdly amount
of stuff from him when in Tulsa in 2 weeks.
November 11 2007 at 22:25:38
Topic: Ben Aronov
Comments: Ben Aronov was in town April 2000 to attend the Central
High class reunion. After a weekend of festivities classmate Walt Lehman
invited 'Benny' to the Sunday afternoon jam sessions which were being held
at Bourbon Street at the time. He just showed up...no advertising or anything.
And he played all afternoon..backing up players and singers, some good..some
not so good. But it was all in fun. And Benny was quite amiable about the
whole thing and I know he had a good time. And of course he played wonderfully
well. He lives in France now and doing well. He's always been one of the
highly respected players in Jazz.
Here is Kenneth's photo of Ben Aronov at
Jazmo'z Bourbon Street Cafe on 15th Street
in 2000. Click to see a larger view of the room.
November 11 2007 at 19:06:41
Name: Rick Brashear
Topic: Phil Woods Quartet
Comments: I liked what I heard. Usually, to me, New York jazz sounds
like a cat being gutted by a meteor. But Phil's stuff had places to go. I
got to wondering, "What if..." What if he and his band were transported back
a few hundred years? I know of one person who most likely would pick up on
the sound and go with it: Mozart. Mozart was a wild man and freaked out his
audiences several times with renditions they weren't accustomed to. He would
do the unconventional. And, since he was loaded most of the time, I'm sure
he would get into the groove and lay out some vibes with a full orchestra.
November 11 2007 at 14:18:30
Topic: Previous GroupBlog
Archived GroupBlog 255. Some of the
A YouTube video of Tulsa Central grad/world-class jazz pianist Ben Aronov
working with Phil Woods. A virtual tour of the May Rooms gallery.
Country music great Hank Thompson was remembered.
The retrieval of 1945 radio broadcasts requires faster-than-light travel,
which entails time travel. There was more discussion of the circumstances
of the demise of KVOO-AM from Bob O'Shea and John Wooley.
Great stuff on Jack Campbell's "Sleepwalkers Serenade" theme. The webmaster
introduced a new Amazon-based Gift Shop.
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