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June 14 2006 at 01:18:07
Name: Mike Bruchas
Comments: 15 years ago - Jack Hobson knew a guy whose folks had a lawn mower repair shop - about across from where Starship moved to, I cannot remember the guy's name but he had all sorts of non-EIAJ Japanese tape machines and I wonder if he ever started collecting 1" or 2" machines.

I am summarizing here and playing fast and loose with the facts:

To the uninitiated - before 3/4" U-MATIC AND 1" TYPE C tape machines - there was no non-broadcast standard for lesser formats til EIAJ outta Japan and SMPTE in the U.S. decided on some. 2" quad in NTSC (low band or high band) was the standard or you shot/delivered film prints in the U.S. RCA and Ampex were the only world-wide tape machine manufacturers for 2" - maybe the Germans had something but that was PAL and not the US.

In the 60s - Sony/Akai/Panasonic/JVC tried making b&w cameras and 1" or 1/2" b&w tape machines and peddled them to schools, corporate and hospitals for training/documentation purposes - but you couldn't play a Sony recording on a JVC or any other deck.

In the 70s, Akai came out with a jim-dandy portable mini-reel-to-reel tape machine and single tube camera - which KPRC in Houston used for a while. Sony made consumer color cameras and decks as high-end reel-to-reel consumer portables - I saw one at Neiman-Marcus long before seeing one at NAB. Then everyone in Japan was making them - but all were incompatible with others. You could not edit the material - you could cue it up and air it raw or bump to 2" and edit on 2".

Tulsa Cable had early broadcast 1" IVC decks for studio production - but they were incompatible with stations in town. I remember Ralph Bardgett, either when he left 6 or had interviewed at a PBS station up near Kansas City that had different 2" IVC tape machines...he had told us about them and we marveled.

Lo and behold - in the 70s we got BetaMax and VHS from our friends in Japan for "time shifting" for consumers to tape favorite shows to watch later. There was a big brouhaha about consumers being able to decide when to watch network programming - how would Nielsen meter the audience? (They said the same thing about cable 25 years ago.)

Then came home "tapie" cameras/recorders which killed off Super 8 home movie-making. Phillips and others in Europe and Japan tried using the basic Norelco audio cassette as a tape format that never took off. I think Technicolor also tried a format that never flew. The Germans made wonderful portable Bosch or Nagra mini 1" machines that looked great and did not give a tape op a major hernia when used in the field.

They never caught on because it was in a format called type B and of course - the US did not support type B 1". Places in New York or L.A. used these decks and bumped to 2" to edit. In TV - often the US TV stations' Chief Engineer's mentality was - "I'll buy it when RCA or Ampex sells it."

3/4" got better and better as a production format and Sony/JVC/Panasonic made decks for industrial and broadcast users. There was a lot of grumping that the Japanese were trying to take over US TV and "dumb GMs" were contributing to it! Throw in here Magnavox/MCA/Discovision or Pioneer's video disk (or disc) efforts, too.

Then Sony took BetaMax - revved up the tape writing speed and improved the stock and gave us broadcasters BetaCam, and Panasonic gave us MII. JVC made a format that was called Digital-S which looked good but was incompatible and you could NOT erase the tape - you could record over something but it could not be bulk-erased.

Add Sony/Panasonic and others trying to develop disk recorders/readers/writers - pre-dating our CD/DVD burners (and our Macs/PCs) - which of course were incompatible with each other. Throw in 20 years ago - about 5 early HiDef prototypes including the Sony/Muse HD 1" system that worked in Japan. Add about 20 variations and rocket to mini DV/DVCam and DVCPro and now here comes solid-state or digital tapeless memory. All of this in our lifetimes.

Can you imagine folks in 10 years - trying to find ANY of the above-listed formats to make copies from? Oy! Think of all the crazy or short-term formats we have used for recording in TV and consumer use in just 35 years!

June 13 2006 at 19:16:57
Name: John Hillis
Location: Hey, Now...

To answer Señor Bruchas, all my contacts at the Peabody Awards have pretty much dried up and blown away. I did get invited to a Peabody reception 6 or 7 years ago, but I think that was on the basis of an acquaintance with the late head of the R-TV department and Peabody director Barry Sherman. Since Barry died too young, and all the profs I had Way Back When have either shuffled off this mortal coil or retired, my U.Ga. connections are limited to watching the football team.

They used to sell copies of Peabody entries. but only for academic research purposes. Don't know if that has changed or not, you might try Peabody.uga.edu. When I was a poor student, the "archives" were a storeroom over the roof of one of the control rooms adjacent to a tv studio. Not sure it had a/c or not--no doubt they've by now recognized the value of that treasure trove of audio and video recordings dating back to the 40s. Hopefully there's still a 2" VTR capable of low-band color somewhere in Athens.

And now for something completely different...

Steve Bagsby's 'Talahina Hula' Friends, how long has it been since you had a rich, thick, steamin' bowl of Steve Bagsby? Well, that's too long! Whether you're an Oklahoman or long, long removed, get your hands on Steve's "Talahina Hula" CD. Ten bucks and cheap at twice the price, if only for the photo of the Artiste on the back cover. When the sun is right in the sky, and the volume is set just so, you can close your eyes and for a moment, it's noontime 60-some years ago and you're listening to Bob Wills on KVOO. (You do, however, have to provide your own "aaaah-ha"s.)

Seriously, and no kiddin', friends, this is a great recording and you should buy it even if you have to get the money by not buying those baby chicks by mailing 98 cents in coin to XERF, Del Rio, that's D-E-L-R-I-O, Texas.

June 13 2006 at 10:59:17
Name: Gary Chew
Email: garychew(at)comcast(dot)net
Location: You Know
Comments: Actually, I mistyped. The complete sentence reads "Shelley winters in Venice."

Love that Caps Lock.

June 13 2006 at 07:59:26
Name: Paul Thomas Mann
Location: The Magic Mountain
Comments: O Chew of little faith!

My fellow shade, P.B. Shelley, and I are enchanted by your plans for a musical version of my novel, DEATH IN VENICE, which I believe you call SHELLEY WINTERS IN VENICE. (My lawyer and agent will contact you shortly. You can fix it up with Shelley and Shelley.) (This being Hwood, you'll have to deal in WEBm, who is not the shade posting.)

You might also be interested in our latest project (Hollywood never dies!): To the Moon: Ralph and Trixie, Ed and Alice. It's sort of a re-make of a classic.

June 13 2006 at 00:17:46
Name: Gary Chew
Email: garychew(at)comcast(dot)com
Location: Just SE of The Donner Party Family Grill
Comments: Methinks the Web Maestro, yet again, doth burn the candle at either of its ends, or...endeavors to cause commencement of a viable blog thread. Shelley Winters in Venice

June 12 2006 at 22:59:37
Name: Gary Chew
Email: garychew(at)comcast(dot)come
Location: Not In Tulsa
Comments: Shelley: How can you know when the moon in over Tulsa when you're in Italia?

I wonder if we haven't just received a visitation from the ghost of Mr. Percy Bysshe Shelley, who wrote "To The Moon", and passed away in Italy in 1822?

June 12 2006 at 21:48:17
Name: Shelley
Location: Italy
Comments: This morning, just before dawn, the moon in the southwest over Tulsa was colored peach. Check it out tomrrow.

June 11 2006 at 21:28:25
Name: Mike Bruchas
Location: Very pleasant DC!
Comments: Hey Scott Linder! We are getting a lot of requests for D5 tapes in DC - thought that format was near dead. 4-5 years ago - seemed like a lot of West Coast film xfer houses bought into it. Have idiots here who say it is "equal" to Sony HD. We are often confused because you supposedly can have regular D5 and HD D5 that I have not heard of!

The Library of Congress has 1" and 2" machines to archive stuff from - but monthly they are being "gifted" historical footage in those formats. In my many travels - had access to 6 of the Bing Crosby studio taped b&w shows and never got to make a bootleg of any. My favorite had Bing, Sinatra, Louis Armstrong and I think Rosie Clooney on 1 show!! Bing willed them to the Univ. of Georgia but they represent the epitome - to me - of early quality b&w taped programming. Need to ask John Hillis if he has any contacts at U of GA - would love to have a show on DVD!

Bartlesville's Price Tower is being honored at the National Building Museum in DC from June 17 to Sept. 17 and I hope to get by there and enjoy a homage to one of Oklahoma's most unique structures.

June 11 2006 at 17:26:22
Name: David Batterson
Email: davidbat(at)yahoo.com
Location: near L.A., CA
Comments: Mark Giles and I wrote another song. This one is called Hollyweed USA. It's about the day the HOLLYWOOD sign was changed to HOLLYWEED!

You can play the demo (or download it) at:


Feedback welcomed!

June 11 2006 at 15:35:20
Name: Scott Linder
Location: Hollywood-land
Comments: Well, I have access to beautifully maintained 1", 2" and 3/4" machines. These formats are still supported here in L.A. at many post and transfer houses. Hey, how do you think all of that "old stuff" is getting to DVD?!!

The TV season here in Hollywood continues to be pretty grim for multi-camera shows. The merger of UPN/WB/Paramount/CBS has eliminated a good many sitcoms in favor of episodic/reality projects. I feel blessed to be doing two shows in the fall....many people in all departments have no work at all. Let's hope that this is just part of a trend, and that things will improve in the future.

OK....I'm off to Pink's to have a chili-dog. That will lift my spirits....!!

June 11 2006 at 10:31:55
Name: Webmaster
Comments: Today's Las Vegas Review-Journal newspaper features a five-page excerpt from Mike Miller's new book How High Can a Guy Stoop? on the front page of their Sunday Opinion Section (free online).

Mike was press secretary to Nevada senator Chic Hecht in the early 80s. The article deals with Hecht's historic 1982 upset election victory over Sen. Howard Cannon. Sen. Hecht passed away May 15.

The chapters about Mike's career as a Tulsa radio and TV reporter and anchor are specifically relevant to this site, but I found the entire book fascinating reading.

June 10 2006 at 17:24:32
Name: Bill Groves
Email: bill@televisionchronicles.com
Location: Corona, CA
Comments: Looks like the Mazeppa music was probably used repeatedly in "Stories of the Century." The very next episode I watched after "The Daltons" ("Little Britches") opened with the music, and reprised it later in the show. I'm figuring I'll run across it a lot more before I'm done screening the series.

I've just spent a couple of hours at your site, TelevisionChronicles.com. It's a pleasure to read your in-depth stories about several short-lived but distinctive series I've never forgotten. I share your enthusiasm for the book, Fantastic Television, by Gary Gerani.

June 10 2006 at 16:09:11
Name: Jim Reid
Location: Dallas
Comments: We sent our last 1 inch machine to the dump a couple of months ago. In about 3 months, we won't have any tape machines left of any kind.

June 10 2006 at 14:22:12
Name: Mike Bruchas
Location: pleasant DC for once
Comments: Joe Krieger tapes? Are they 1" or 2"? Are they dusty or in boxes? My former employer had a 1" machine and my new employer has 2 but I would be in a lot of trouble if the 1" tape gummed up the machine heads. Isn't there anyone in Tulsa still with 1"? If not - lemme know.

Edwin Fincher or Sonny H. - you know the market - any ideas???

June 10 2006 at 10:14:48
Name: David Bagsby
Email: dcbatsunflower.com
Location: Lawrence KS
Comments: The World Museum was run by the Osborn Foundation. We took some field trips there in grade school at St. Pius. There were lots of odd things like the shrunken heads but my faves were the giant music boxes and doll houses. One in particular had a crank that made all the people inside move around. It had several floors including a working torture chamber in the cellar. That thing was massive; probably about 5 feet long on each side and 4 feet tall and all hand carved/painted. Don't remember where it originated; Bavaria by the looks of the carving/clockwork style.

The Stories of the Century was a series and the one mentioned with the Mazeppa theme is Season 1-episode 9: the Dalton Gang. Don't own it yet but found a copy at MoviesUnlimited.com.

The Movies Unlimited version is on VHS. Here is the entire series in DVD on Amazon.com for peanuts: "Stories of the Century".

I wonder if the Mazeppa "chase music" wasn't already library music even in 1954, possibly recycled from old Republic B Westerns. I see that the director of the Dalton Gang episode, William Witney, was previously a Republic director.

Incidentally, Witney (born in Lawton, OK, according to the IMDb) directed episodes of "Branded", "Zorro", "Wild, Wild West", "Bonanza" and "Sky King".

Gailard Sartain talks about the music on the 1st Mazeppa page, and mentions that Gary Chew did the tape splice of the two pieces of music used for the opening.

June 10 2006 at 10:02:10
Name: Dusty
Email: adairmdatyahoodotcom
Location: BA, OK
Comments: Going back a few pages ago (Guestbook 212, 3rd entry from the top). Some were talking about the Victory Center off of Skelly Drive. It was said that T.L. Osborn gave it to Victory, I think. Anyway, was it ever a museum? I was thinking when I was in elem school (late 70s, early 80s), we went there for a tour of the "World Museum". I remember seeing shrunken heads for the first time, and it freaked me out. Am I right, or am I thinking of a different place?

From this document, http://www.forces.org/evidence/files/bryden1.htm, dated 1996:

"...Osborn Foundation was incorporated 28 years ago by self-proclaimed minister T.L.Osborn who became famous in Tulsa for the World Museum he built adjoining his Interstate Temple, which he filled with antiques, priceless works of art (Rubens, Doré) and rare automobiles (1923 Silver Ghost) gathered from around the world."

June 09 2006 at 22:11:32
Name: Donald Franson
Email: donaldfranson@hotmail.com
Location: Tulsa
Comments: A few months back I bought the home of Joe Krieger, Joe had a fishing show back in the '70s and '80s.

While gutting the home for a remodel I found 2 of his original shows on 1 inch magnetic tape. I would love to see what is on these tapes and get a copy in a format that I could watch.

Me, too. I have the prospect of a 3/4" tape machine soon, but 1" is a rarer bird.

June 09 2006 at 15:22:11
Name: Bill Groves
Email: bill@televisionchronicles.com
Location: Corona, CA
Comments: After pushing aside suggestions over the past few years to do so, I've finally decided to revive my magazine, Television Chronicles, in electronic form. Last week I rolled out the inaugural Internet edition at TelevisionChronicles.com. Please swing by, give it a look, and let us know what you think. Among other things there, on our "Press" page, are a couple of video clips, from morning show appearances I did on KJRH and KOTV to promote the magazine back in '97.

On another subject, I was doing some "homework" for an upcoming edition, watching an old western called ""Stories of the Century." In the episode (fittingly enough) about Oklahoma's Dalton Gang, the soundtrack suddenly burst forth with what we tend to remember as the opening theme to Mazeppa's Uncanny Film Festival, during a scene involving a runaway stagecoach. That, of course, got me thinking about the gang at Tulsa TV Memories, and how I had failed to let them know about the new online incarnation of Television Chronicles.

Bill, thanks for the link and welcome back. Bill sent in a copy of his Uncola card back in 1999, the first one I had seen since the early 70s.

I see your taste in short-lived TV series of the 60s parallels mine: "Captain Nice", "Mr. Terrific", "Blue Light" with Robert Goulet, "Branded" with Chuck Connors. Remember the kids' parody of the "Branded" theme? (We repeated the word "stranded", simplifying the line's offbeat rhythmic structure.)

Stranded, stranded, stuck on the toilet bowl,
What do you do when you're stranded, and you don't have a roll?

June 09 2006 at 12:06:32
Name: Mike Bruchas
Edwin Fincher in the 1960sComments: Edwin! You have become a big-time consumer in your old age! What happened to the guy who lived simply, drove an old car, and his biggest investment at home was a good sound system and an air conditioner! Oh, wait - that was 30 years ago when we worked at KTUL maybe making $2.50 an hour! When gas was cheap and we believed that pigs COULD fly!

And yes - all of our lives now have more of the gizmos, time-wasters and entertainment toys we never could have dreamed about 30 years ago. Part of being the American consumer-driven society.

Think of the culture/consumer shock going on now in China. They even have WallyWorld there! I keep waiting for them to demand American-made electronics and stuff. I read - because Sun Yat-Sen drove a 1938 Buick 70 years ago - Buicks may become the most popular American car there. Can we even remember a Chinese-made anything - for sale or even wanted by American consumers 30 years ago?

You are right - maybe I am an anachronism - listening to radio, but then an iPod or home computer (especially when the power goes out) won't help get you tornado warnings either...though I wish I could think up a scheme to corral all the old 8-track machines, clean them up and EXPORT them to China to sell as "classic American technology"!

Here is Edwin in 1969. Edwin was one of the masterminds behind "MAINTAIN" in 1973.

June 09 2006 at 10:15:26
Name: edwin
Email: yep
Location: tuning
Comments: I haven't a clue what you are speaking of...pertaining to Sat. radio (I guess)...why would I want to listen to it? I have over 300 channels of TV on 7 TV sets in my house....DVD players.....CD players....4 different game-thingys...3 computers......etc....etc...etc.....I miss the "DJ".......or at least explainations of where what when.......

June 09 2006 at 00:28:45
Name: Mike Bruchas
Location: D.C.
Comments: On the way home tonight - heard a radio ad for the much cited C. Crane Radio on a DC station. 3 years in the making and no - it isn't HD radio - just a very, very good and expensive AM/FM portable. Brer Ransom and I both have used their other products. They are the biggest importer of Sangean SW radios too - one of the best radios to come outta Taiwan for years!

Did or did NOT the Net Neutrality thing pass tonight? Am afraid of having to pay quite a bit for net access. Have had the Verizon $17.95 a month DSL and love it - but formerly it had been too expensive. Though I live 6-7 miles from AOL HQ - my service had gotten worse and they jacked up my minimal service rates to $3 less than Verizon's DSL.. My only complaint so far - on Memorial Day - it was AWOL for 7 hours.

I still use rabbit ears (really a $40 Terk antenna) for teevee - can't afford cable or a dish Still no iPod and my cel phone is 3 years old and without Tetris!

(From ZDNet:)

"The U.S. House of Representatives definitively rejected the concept of Net neutrality on Thursday, dealing a bitter blow to Internet companies like Amazon.com, eBay and Google that had engaged in a last-minute lobbying campaign to support it. By a 269-152 vote that fell largely along party lines, the House Republican leadership mustered enough votes to reject a Democrat-backed amendment that would have enshrined stiff Net neutrality regulations into federal law and prevented broadband providers from treating some Internet sites differently from others."

But the Senate is less inclined to bow to the telcos' intense lobbying. More at SaveTheInternet.com.

June 08 2006 at 23:46:23
Name: Bryan
Location: NE of Tulsa
Comments: Put Ross Dixon, Don Woods, Lee Woodward, and King Lionel as a weather team at one of our local stations, and see if the forecasting and ratings would go up! Just imagine!!!

June 08 2006 at 11:07:47
Name: Mike Bruchas
Location: Tulsa in my heart
Comments: Irving Productions (where this server lives) and Bell's - for those of you who don't make the connection - both are blocks away from each other in Tulsa. I am glad the site and Irving is okay, but saddened to hear Bell's was hit so hard!

June 08 2006 at 07:47:02
Name: Erick
Email: ericktul@yahoo.com
Location: Tulsa
Comments: The Ferris wheel at Bell's is a complete loss. The damage at Bell's is widespread. According to this morning's Tulsa World, the Zingo's legs are bent, and there is damage to the track. The Himalaya ride is missing its top, and several other rides have sustained significant damage. Once power is restored to the park, the rides will have be inspected by the state. The newspaper states that the park would like to re-open by July.

June 07 2006 at 14:00:26
Name: Dana LeMoine
Email: d4wdw@valornet.com
Location: B-A
Comments: Sad news from Bell's Amusement Park....

The storm that blew through yesterday morning heavily damaged their Ferris Wheel. I was saddened to hear it was damaged, but what really bummed me out was when the reporter said it was built in 1926 and was the 24th Ferris Wheel built! I had no idea it was that old. Just think of the stories it could tell. Hopefully it's not a complete loss and can be salvaged.

KOTV.com has the video of the report.

June 06 2006 at 20:49:44
Name: Mike Bruchas
Location: okay DC
Comments: Listening to BBC Jersey on internet - THEY haven't forgotten D-Day and America will always be fondly remembered for WWII.

BTW they run "TV licensing" PSAs - reminding folks to pay their monthly license for at home viewing - so as folks won't have to go to court...Funny about us and our "free TV" = especially if paying el grande cable bills!

Last night at 1 am on the way home - the weather guy on WTOP was having a bad night. He announced: "...that ended our rainy spell and all looks good up-coming for the weekend coming up..."...Oy! It hadn't rained since Saturday! Guess he was looking forward to the weekend...up-coming that is.

June 06 2006 at 09:04:52
Name: Webmaster
Comments: This site's server at Irving Productions near 21st & Harvard is offline due to the big thunderstorm last night [KOTV video clips]. I hope it will be back later today, but the Florence Park area was hit hard.

When you see all the images come in on this page, the main site will be back up.

In observance of "Mark O' The Beast Day" (6/6/06), I just decided to call this page a "GroupBlog" rather than "Guestbook". The new term is more accurate than the old, and I don't even have to change the abbreviation from "GB".

The server for this "GroupBlog" is in Greece, and Athens weather is predicted to be clear and sunny.

By the way, I ate some delicious Greek food for lunch last week at Jim's "Never on Sunday" Coney Island at 21st & Harvard. Hope they are doing OK after the storm.

The House Committee on Rules is now deciding whether to allow an amendment onto the floor that would put meaningful and enforceable Network Neutrality language into the COPE Act. Representative Tom Cole of Oklahoma (202-225-6165) is a member of the Rules Committee. He could stand a call from you telling him that you are for Net Neutrality. More about this important issue at SaveTheInternet.com.

New at the TTM Flickr page: a photo of Carl "Zeb" Bartholomew, Scott Blaker and Don Lundy, taken last Saturday. While you are there, also check out the photoset of the Captain Ben reunion at McNellie's, which included the Captain himself, Windy O'Day, Tuffy and Zeb.

From John Wooley and Matt Gleason's column, "Sounds like ours", in the 6/1 Tulsa World, a blurb about Daddy A Go Go's latest album with cover by Gailard Sartain.

Eat Every Bean and Pea on Your Plate

Later note: the site was back online before 4 pm, 6/7.

June 06 2006 at 01:53:52
Name: Frank Morrow
Email: frankmorrow12@yahoo.com
Location: Austin
Comments: In my haste to complete my previous entry on grammar and pronunciation, I forgot to mention a couple of very important things that are at variance with what we were taught in school so long ago.

The word "among" is rapidly being phased out. Everything now is "between," no matter how many things are being compared.

"None" has become a plural noun. It is rare to hear, "None of the drivers HAS passed the test."

I cringe when I hear the nominative pronoun used when it is the object of a preposition, as in "The race is between HE and the blue car."

The prohibition against ending a sentence with a preposition has been dropped. That's just as well, I guess. Adhering to that rule could result in some very awkward sentences as in "Ending a sentence with a preposition is a practice up with which I shall not put."

Which reminds me, the line between "shall" and "will" has been almost completely blurred.

Have I become just a crotchety, old man? Where is the line between defending correct English and submitting to popular mis-usage that apparently is rapidly becoming accepted?

June 05 2006 at 17:45:01
Name: Erick
Email: ericktul@yahoo.com
Location: Tulsa
Comments: Someday, someone with deep pockets will get smart and build a new amusement park and a real water park in the south Tulsa/Jenks area. When that happens, Bell's and Big Splash will be in big trouble.

June 05 2006 at 16:31:27
Name: Mike Bruchas
Comments: I bought an edition of the NBC Announcer's Handbook while at TU in 1970 then hardly used it in later years - as I became a "vidiot" not radio guy. I have to wonder if there is an on-line version now or if the 3rd edition or whatever I bought - was the last? Think of just 30 years ago and our anglicizing of foreign city names in the news!

Tangent here...Gee - we all look the same now world-wide...sitting at work and digitizing video of Indian game rangers, animal control types and Army troops - working on wolf control in India. ALL the non-Army gov't types wear chinos, polo shirts, oxfords or hiking boots - clothes right off the rack at Target almost - if India has Target stores. The men all wear "gimme" baseball hats with either commercial sponsor tags or agency tags or Nam-type boonie hats. These guys would be unnoticed on the street in Tulsa except for their accents. Somehow all the Army drivers and gun escorts look unwilted in fatigues in the heat - shorts for most - and little Army folding hats. Good boots for them though. Most toting double barrel or pump shotguns and they know how to use them.

It's the agrarian peasants that "look Third World" with flip-flops, baggy shorts and worn Nike/surfer/videogame t-shirts -- wait a minute - that's what most US adolescents are wearing! Funny how the world dresses!

June 04 2006 at 13:55:11
Name: Bob DeMers
Location: in transit
Comments: In the midst of packing for a move from Portland, Maine to Charlotte, North Carolina, I found this stashed away.

I thought you might enjoy a picture of it!

KMOD weather badge

Thanks, Bob. Wasn't "Cecil Scoggins" one of Sherman Oaks' monikers?

June 04 2006 at 10:03:09
Name: Jim Ruddle
Email: jruddle@earthlink.net
Location: Rye, NY
Comments: Frank Morrow presents the problem faced by broadcasters through the years. Who is to say what's the correct pronounciation of a word?

The 1926 Webster's Dictionary was long cited as the best source, followed by Fowler, then a host of other, lesser authorities such as the NBC Announcer's Handbook, and whatever that thing was that Ben Henneke wrote.

Unfortunately, there's no single correct source.

I remember seeing the word "argyle" in the NBC Handbook pronounced as "ar-jile," which would have driven any Scotsman to drink, if he wasn't already doing so.

And advertisers had their own rules. For instance, Peter Paul Mounds candy bars dictated that the word "almond" be pronounced "ah-mund," with no "L" lurking around.

In the early 1960s, the Webster's Third Dictionary came along and raised hackles among the traditionalists who wanted a prescriptive, rather than a descriptive dictionary. Major battles raged amid the literati and the academics who focused much of their attention on such trifles as the word "ain't". (Dizzy Dean once famously stated, "A lot of folks who ain't sayin' ain't ain't eatin'.")

NBC News president, Reuven Frank, who fancied himself as God's executive editor, proclaimed that we peons in the news ranks were to hew to the 1926 version and ignore the new Third.

This led me to (anonymously--I wasn't a complete fool) post a memo on the newsroom bulletin board saying that we had a hard road ahead: The 1926 edition didn't contain such words as "nazi," "jetplane," "atom bomb," "penicillin," and many, many more. This memo was not received with favor by the bosses.

Of course, at the time of the Falklands War, Frank ordered that we say "Argentyne," as the Brits do, rather than "Argenteen." I stepped into it again sending a note from an unknown author quoting a popular song of his youth about "Tangerine" a hot babe whose name rhymed with "Argenteen." Like Queen Victoria, he was not amused.

June 03 2006 at 18:53:02
Name: Dave
Location: about to go down the hump
Comments: It's buried way down at the bottom of the article, but an item in today's World notes that an agreement between Bell's and the surrounding neighborhood over where to build a new Zingo bodes well for its chances of staying at the fairgrounds. Bell's still has yet to sign a new lease agreement with the fairgrounds, but you'd think if they're getting ready to invest in a major ride like this that they'll not be heading to Jenks anytime soon.

June 02 2006 at 16:14:43
Name: Steve Bagsby
Email: sbagsby@tulsacc.edu
Location: Patching the canvas at Chuc Wagun
Comments: Yup, the Chuc Wagun had great burgers and the best Limeades I've ever had. I remember driving out in the country and stopping at the old Dairy Boy stands. Seemed like trying to eat a large twist cone before it melted to a puddle was time well-spent.

June 02 2006 at 11:42:26
Name: Frank Morrow
Email: frankmorrow12@yahoo.com
Location: Austin
Comments: Regarding our Webmaster's comment about the preferred pronunciation of "despicable" now being shown in his dictionary as having the accent on the second syllable, it shows how our language is being changed by mispronunciation. My father's Webster of 1926 indicates only the accent on the first syllable as the acceptable usage. No secondary is mentioned. My teachers throughout school would correct us immediately if we said the word otherwise. However, the 1969 Funk and Wagnall's shows the accent on the second syllable as the secondary. So, now, through a few decades of misuse, the previously eschewed pronunciation is preferred.

Who said we haven't made progress?

I have trouble saying "despicable" with the accent on the first syllable. I feel like Sylvester the Cat trying to talk with a mouthful of crackers.

June 02 2006 at 09:01:07
Name: Jerry Hobson
Location: hang gliding in hurricanes in Florida
Comments: My favorite hamburgers were at The Chuc Wagun on E. 11th just west of Lewis. Ate there from 1956-62.

J MO - Howlin' Dawg

Chuc Wagun on 11th and Lewis

June 01 2006 at 23:52:42
Name: Webmaster
Comments: Archived Guestbook (now GroupBlog) 213, where we just saw a graphic map of the main TTM page, and a photoset of the Captain Ben reunion at McNellie's, which included Captain Ben himself, Windy O'Day, Tuffy and Zeb.

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